If you could name a new owner for the Redskins who would it be and why?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by WaldSkins

Jeff Lurie is more concerned about making money then building a winning team. How do you explain that the team has no true number one receiver yet has 48 million dollars in cap space?

True number one receivers are in highly limited supply and you can't just buy 'em. The best way to find them is in the draft, but the more costly way is to just trade a ton of picks for them, which they never do.

[celts32]

Joe Gibbs hands down.

[WaldSkins]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

True number one receivers are in highly limited supply and you can't just buy 'em. The best way to find them is in the draft, but the more costly way is to just trade a ton of picks for them, which they never do.

I think that TJ Housh would have been a good pick up for the eagles.

[Nflnick11]

Waldskins, first off him trading for TO was a good trade at first, because he did get them to the superbowl, if you didn't know what TO would have been like today, 5 years ago, you would have traded for him too, secondly they don't need to trade for a number one because they have a bunch of picks and money to get one through the draft or FA.. Other owners I would say would be dan Rooney and (I hate to say this because I hate them, but) Robert craft they both bring in the really good needable FA (Ryan Clarke, adalius Thomas) and build through the draft

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by WaldSkins

I think that TJ Housh would have been a good pick up for the eagles.

And they bid on him. But are you suggesting they would have been better off vastly overpaying for him, and then watching as he has an albatross contract deep into his thirties while he blocks younger, more promising types? Housh isn't good enough to justify that.

[BleedBurgundy]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Because you know what else is a stat? 102 million dollars.

I'd be willing to pay any qb $51 million per superbowl win. I think that's a fair rate...

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

I'd be willing to pay any qb $51 million per superbowl win. I think that's a fair rate...

But what if someone was willing to do it for $10 million per victory, AND make it easier by playing better? Wouldn't you take that instead?

[irish]

Originally Posted by WaldSkins

I was just trying to show Irish that the steelers do indeed over pay for players and he's not even one of there best players.

The Steelers paid 1 guy at the most important position on the field a big contract for winning 2 super bowls. I think paying a 2x Super Bowl winner and now future hall of famer $100 million in the prime of his career is worth it. Its the toughest position on the field and the hardest position to find a franchise player. All things considered I think the Steelers paid what the needed to pay to keep their QB.

One thing I am sure the Steelers would never do is spend $100 million on a D lineman.

[BleedBurgundy]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

But what if someone was willing to do it for $10 million per victory, AND make it easier by playing better? Wouldn't you take that instead?

Yes, of course. But let's see, last 4 super bowl winning QB's are... Roethlisberger, E. Manning, P. Manning and Brady. Brady has 3 rings, Ben has 2, both mannings have 1. If you go by SB wins, only Tom Brady comes cheaper (by a large margin...$20 mil per ring). kind of a goofy way to look at it but still...

Anyway, I think you also have to account for some other factors here. I believe the Steelers employ much more of a vertical attack than most of the dink/dunk high completion percentage stuff that's out there, which is going to lead to a lower qb rating. Add that to the fact that he has had a subpar pass blocking o line the last 2 years and that he is constantly extending plays because of his size. I think stats definitely don't tell the whole story on his value...

[Zerohero]

Originally Posted by WaldSkins

On March 4, 2008, the Pittsburgh Steelers and Roethlisberger agreed to an eight-year, $102 million contract.

Check out Ben's stats compared to JC's . NFL Stats: by Player Category

Big Bens QB rating was 80.1 compared to JC's 84.3

I'd say that 102 million is kinda overpaying, wouldn't you?

All joking aside, did you umm watch the past super bowl. The answer is there.

[celts32]

I already answered Gibbs to this question...but let me say this. Some day in the future...could be 1 year could be 20 years...Dan Snyder is going to wake up and he's going to get rid of his side kick Vinny, take a step back and start doing things the right way. With his passion for the Redskins and willingness to spend anything to win he will someday become the best owner in sports. I just hope I am still alive when it happens...

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by celts32

I already answered Gibbs to this question...but let me say this. Some day in the future...could be 1 year could be 20 years...Dan Snyder is going to wake up and he's going to get rid of his side kick Vinny, take a step back and start doing things the right way. With his passion for the Redskins and willingness to spend anything to win he will someday become the best owner in sports. I just hope I am still alive when it happens...

I think that Joe would be a better owner than coach, at least for his second time coaching. He does know how to put together winning teams in the NFL and NASCAR. Three SBs and three Cups don't lie. Being an owner of three cup teams is alot more behind the scenes than a coach.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

I think Smootsmack and I discussed this and volunteered last year for co-ownership, we were just having a hard time coming up with the $ 1.5B to make the deal, or was it for the Presidency, I can't remember.

How about we give the the Danny & Vinny a couple more years and if they revert back to their pre-Gibbs ways then throw them overboard (good luck with that). Pretty hard to make evaluations after one season of VC basicaly being the GM. The guy was a part of building the personnel for a SF championship and a Notre Dame championship.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

I think Smootsmack and I discussed this and volunteered last year for co-ownership, we were just having a hard time coming up with the $ 1.5B to make the deal, or was it for the Presidency, I can't remember.

How about we give the the Danny & Vinny a couple more years and if they revert back to their pre-Gibbs ways then throw them overboard (good luck with that). Pretty hard to make evaluations after one season of VC basicaly being the GM. The guy was a part of building the personnel for a SF championship and a Notre Dame championship.

Offered two 1st round picks for Chad OchoCinco last offseason, tried to ditch Campbell and multiple 1st round picks for Cutler, and grossly overpaid for DeAngelo Hall. Not to mention the eventual outcome of the Jason Taylor move, even though at the time it seemed like a good idea. They got their man with Haynesworth, and I don't think it was a bad move.

My point is, with names like Haynesworth, Hall, J.Taylor, OchoCinco, Jay Cutler, etc, Danny and Vinny have gone right back to falling in love with and often overvaluing big names (Haynesworth was not overvalued IMO). Not to mention the money. Very Pre-Gibbs behavior if you ask me.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

I think Smootsmack and I discussed this and volunteered last year for co-ownership, we were just having a hard time coming up with the $ 1.5B to make the deal, or was it for the Presidency, I can't remember.

How about we give the the Danny & Vinny a couple more years and if they revert back to their pre-Gibbs ways then throw them overboard (good luck with that). Pretty hard to make evaluations after one season of VC basicaly being the GM. The guy was a part of building the personnel for a SF championship and a Notre Dame championship.

It was the Presidency

On a separate note, does anyone else remember when Gibbs was part of a possible ownership team for the Redskins back in '99? I think it was Sam Grossman's team. I always found it curious that John Kent Cooke made no attempt to have Gibbs on his team