The Vick Factor

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Zerohero

No its not agreed he would be a public relations nightmare, he grew up in redskins country and would greatly embraced.

The question really is how he would fit in.

It's even questionable if Hampton Roads is "Redskins Country", I see as much Steelers, Panthers, Cowboys fan gear as Skins gear. And absolutely Vick would be a PR nightmare.

From a football perspective, the guy's main asset was his speed, no way his speed hasn't dropped off after 2+ years off.

[Zerohero]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

It's even questionable if Hampton Roads is "Redskins Country", I see as much Steelers, Panthers, Cowboys fan gear as Skins gear. And absolutely Vick would be a PR nightmare.

From a football perspective, the guy's main asset was his speed, no way his speed hasn't dropped off after 2+ years off.

Southside must be bandwagon country, the Peninsula is no doubt redskin country. Though not winning since 1991 isnt helping. If skins went all the way this year Hampton roads would explode with B&G.

[SkinDogg]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

It's even questionable if Hampton Roads is "Redskins Country", I see as much Steelers, Panthers, Cowboys fan gear as Skins gear. And absolutely Vick would be a PR nightmare.

From a football perspective, the guy's main asset was his speed, no way his speed hasn't dropped off after 2+ years off.

I've got a lot family in Newport News and Portsmouth, VA area. Always a strong Redskin following down there. I suspsect the fanbase went the way of our playoff appearances since 91...

[diehardskin2982]

As they say in show biz, "good talk or bad talk atleast they're talking about you." If he starts winning games trust me the bad press will go away fast.

Since when has Vick only been seen as a wildcat only player? he was in the league making plays before that offense started being used.

Think from a GM's standpoint, not a fan. Worst case scenario was just added a guy with tremendous talent that could be traded for picks or players in the future. If Jeff George can still get phone calls about playing for teams I'm sure Mike Vick has some value!

3 years is a long time true; however 2 of those years saw no wear or tear from the riggors of the NFL.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

Since when has Vick only been seen as a wildcat only player?

Until he gets his feet back under him as a QB the wildcat is probably the best way to get him back on the field right away.

What other way is he going to be used this year, especially here?

[diehardskin2982]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Until he gets his feet back under him as a QB the wildcat is probably the best way to get him back on the field right away.

What other way is he going to be used this year, especially here?

I don't want him to be used at all. I would want him to back up Jason, learn the offense under Zorn ( a known QB Guru), and when the season is finished if Jason leaves or gets hurt we have a suitable, if not better replacement.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Until he gets his feet back under him as a QB the wildcat is probably the best way to get him back on the field right away.

What other way is he going to be used this year, especially here?

I could see him doing return duty as well; you know I always thought that Vick should've learned the WR position.

[BDBohnzie]

If Michael Vick was a Steve Young caliber player, then I'd say sure why not. However, while his feet can dance, he's an average to below average QB (75.7 QB Rating, best season being 2002, or 7 long years ago). He's been away from the game for 2 years, and if he reinstated right away, he'd be able to return to the field half way through the preseason, meaning he would have missed crucial training camp time to even be considered as a reserve QB.

While I'm all for him getting a 2nd chance in the NFL since he's done his time, he's not worth the headache.

[Daseal]

A team that takes Vick better be ready for loads and loads of backlash. Including losing fans, protests on game day, etc. I don't think Snyder would be willing to go through that because unlike most bad publicity, this one could truly hurt the team.

That said, I think Vick a) gets suspended for more games by the league when it's over. b) Did something terrible. He made a conscious decision to break a dog's back... over his knee. That's disgusting to me, and I have a hard time forgetting that. It wasn't just dog fighting, then killing the animals when they're of no use to him anymore, he took time and fun to torture these poor animals to death.

He's a piece of shit, and if he were on the Redskins, I may have to seriously consider abstaining from the Redskins till he was no longer a part of the team.

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by Daseal

He made a conscious decision to break a dog's back... over his knee. That's disgusting to me, and I have a hard time forgetting that.

He's a piece of shit, and if he were on the Redskins, I may have to seriously consider abstaining from the Redskins till he was no longer a part of the team.

I didn't know that. That is pretty sick, and I don't think the kind of person that does that is capable of "changing" in a couple years.

Maybe he won't kill dogs but it still shows he has a sick mind.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Daseal

A team that takes Vick better be ready for loads and loads of backlash. Including losing fans, protests on game day, etc. I don't think Snyder would be willing to go through that because unlike most bad publicity, this one could truly hurt the team.

That said, I think Vick a) gets suspended for more games by the league when it's over. b) Did something terrible. He made a conscious decision to break a dog's back... over his knee. That's disgusting to me, and I have a hard time forgetting that. It wasn't just dog fighting, then killing the animals when they're of no use to him anymore, he took time and fun to torture these poor animals to death.

He's a piece of shit, and if he were on the Redskins, I may have to seriously consider abstaining from the Redskins till he was no longer a part of the team.

I'm not sure if the protest would come and if they did I think they would be very small at best. I was surprised that PETA did not show up at his home when he returned from jail and their main headquarters is within 15min. of Vicks home.

[SkinDogg]

Originally Posted by Daseal

A team that takes Vick better be ready for loads and loads of backlash. Including losing fans, protests on game day, etc. I don't think Snyder would be willing to go through that because unlike most bad publicity, this one could truly hurt the team.

That said, I think Vick a) gets suspended for more games by the league when it's over. b) Did something terrible. He made a conscious decision to break a dog's back... over his knee. That's disgusting to me, and I have a hard time forgetting that. It wasn't just dog fighting, then killing the animals when they're of no use to him anymore, he took time and fun to torture these poor animals to death.

He's a piece of shit, and if he were on the Redskins, I may have to seriously consider abstaining from the Redskins till he was no longer a part of the team.

For the record, no one loves a dog more than me, in fact I volunteer for an animal welfare organization. I also think we have more pressing needs than a QB. Still, I wouldn't be immediately opposed to Vick in teh B&G.

Sure, the Peta crazies would picket, holla and scream instead of actually being productive to, say, decrease fighting rings by changing laws, work w/ at-risk youth (young Vicks) exposed to fighting, bring reform, etc. Eventually everyone has to return to their day job.

As for Vick, he has a lot to regain, to prove, there's redemption, he's hungry, well, I think it would be good for a struggling team to be on that wave. We've seen the last of his hostile attitude to fans. Besides, this team needs a pulse.

Lose Redskin fans? Sure you'd drop a few (plz, plz, plz, let it be the posers in the Club Level), but if Vick made us A Contendah again they'd come crawling back. Personally as a 25+ year fan who has gone far too long without, I'd never budge. Actually, it's Dan Snyder who challenges my religion every day.

[jdlea]

I would definitely take a chance on Mike Vick. I don't care about his past, I believe he learned a lot from this incident. (That's clearly not based on an interview, I'm just assuming) But I believe Vick is going to be a good player in the league again, maybe not great, but a good one and I'd take a chance on him

[sportscurmudgeon]

Some folks have said here they want Michael Vick here to sit behind Jason Campbell as an insurance policy. That leads me to pose two questions...

1. When Michael Vick went to court for his bankruptcy filing about 2 months ago, his projection for his future NFL earnings showed $10M over the first two years after being reinstated. Unless my calculator is broken, that is just a bit more than "vet minimum"... For those who want him as an insurance policy, would you still want him at something approaching $5M/year? Remember, Danny Boy rarely underpays the people he signs.


2. Michael Vick is still the property of the Atlanta Falcons and therefore, he can be traded by the Falcons to another team. For those who want him as an insurance policy, what would you be willing to give to the Falcons in order to make certain that Michael Vick winds up here in Washington as opposed to anywhere else in the NFL?

[diehardskin2982]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

2. Michael Vick is still the property of the Atlanta Falcons and therefore, he can be traded by the Falcons to another team. For those who want him as an insurance policy, what would you be willing to give to the Falcons in order to make certain that Michael Vick winds up here in Washington as opposed to anywhere else in the NFL?

he was released this morning