Eli Manning vs Jason Campbell

[WaldSkins]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

They are both average players, though Manning was slightly above average in 2008.

Doing it by Football Outsiders DVOA over the past three seasons:

Manning:

2006 - Manning (3.9%), Campbell (-0.7%)
2007 - Manning (-13.1%), Campbell (-12.3%)
2008 - Manning (19.7%), Campbell (8.3%)

Saying Campbell compares favorably to Eli Manning is not saying Campbell is a great player, it is saying Manning is far from a great player.

Who care's, thats like comparing Randel El to Brandon Lloyd. I dont really see the point.

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by WaldSkins

Who care's, thats like comparing Randel El to Brandon Lloyd. I dont really see the point.

That was my point.

[budw38]

Originally Posted by saden1

Cut the f'ing bulsh*t people, Eli is much better than JC. Period!

Tell us how you really feel

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by saden1

Cut the f'ing bulsh*t people, Eli is much better than JC. Period!

saden, you cut yourself and gushed blue.

[Lotus]

Joe Gibbs taught again and again and again that what wins football games is winning the turnover battle. Minimize your turnovers, maximize the opposition's, and you win football games. While he was pleased with touchdown passes, and in fact he came from the Air Coryell school of passing offense, he emphasized ball safety over and over.

Bill Parcells has always taught the same. For both Gibbs and Parcells, avoiding turnovers is more important than racking up touchdown passes.

Then again, what do Gibbs and Parcells know about winning NFL games?

[Paintrain]

I'll be so happy when the season starts.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I'll be so happy when the season starts.

No S**t. My sentiments exactly.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

No S**t. My sentiments exactly.

lol......call CNN , we agaree!

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Giantone

lol......call CNN , we agaree!

Damn. That's scary!

[Ruhskins]

Great another what if/comparison/prediction/ranking thread. When does training camp start?

[ethat001]

Let me say it then: interceptions are NOT bad things for NFL quarterbacks.

Here are the top QB's with interceptions for last year:
1) Brett Favre -- 22
2) Jay Cutler -- 18
3) Drew Brees -- 17
4) Gus Frerotte -- 15
4) Ben Roethlisberger -- 15
6) Tony Romo -- 14
6) Kurt Warner -- 14

So if interceptions are such a BAD thing, why are there THREE superbowl QB's and some of the most highly regarded names in the game on this list?

No one wants the QB to throw an int. But they are not the end of the world, and when you have one of the best defensive units in the GAME -- WHY NOT TAKE CHANCES??

In contrast, who's at the TOP of the list with the LEAST interceptions? Seneca Wallace, Jason Campbell, Jeff Garcia, Kerry Collins, Chad Pennington.

In the NFL, you must throw to a receiver BEFORE they are open. You have to TRUST the receiver runs the right route, and can win some toss-ups. That may lead to some interceptions, but there's clearly more benefit than risk.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by ethat001

Let me say it then: interceptions are NOT bad things for NFL quarterbacks.
Here are the top QB's with interceptions for last year:
1) Brett Favre -- 22
2) Jay Cutler -- 18
3) Drew Brees -- 17
4) Gus Frerotte -- 15
4) Ben Roethlisberger -- 15
6) Tony Romo -- 14
6) Kurt Warner -- 14

So if interceptions are such a BAD thing, why are there THREE superbowl QB's and some of the most highly regarded names in the game on this list?

No one wants the QB to throw an int. But they are not the end of the world, and when you have one of the best defensive units in the GAME -- WHY NOT TAKE CHANCES??

In contrast, who's at the TOP of the list with the LEAST interceptions? Seneca Wallace, Jason Campbell, Jeff Garcia, Kerry Collins, Chad Pennington.

In the NFL, you must throw to a receiver BEFORE they are open. You have to TRUST the receiver runs the right route, and can win some toss-ups. That may lead to some interceptions, but there's clearly more benefit than risk.

Of your list of most pick-throwers, only 2 out of 6 made the playoffs last year. Of your list of least pick-throwers, 2 made the playoffs and 2 were in playoff contention. I'm sorry but your lists are not much of a recommendation for your point.

Your argument about good defenses is back-asswards. If you have a good defense, why put them in bad spots? You negate the presence of Haynesworth and others when you throw pick-sixes or otherwise set the other team up in scoring position. When you have a good defense, you want the other team to EARN their yards, not give points or field position away.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by ethat001

Let me say it then: interceptions are NOT bad things for NFL quarterbacks.

Here are the top QB's with interceptions for last year:
1) Brett Favre -- 22
2) Jay Cutler -- 18
3) Drew Brees -- 17
4) Gus Frerotte -- 15
4) Ben Roethlisberger -- 15
6) Tony Romo -- 14
6) Kurt Warner -- 14

So if interceptions are such a BAD thing, why are there THREE superbowl QB's and some of the most highly regarded names in the game on this list?

No one wants the QB to throw an int. But they are not the end of the world, and when you have one of the best defensive units in the GAME -- WHY NOT TAKE CHANCES??

In contrast, who's at the TOP of the list with the LEAST interceptions? Seneca Wallace, Jason Campbell, Jeff Garcia, Kerry Collins, Chad Pennington.

In the NFL, you must throw to a receiver BEFORE they are open. You have to TRUST the receiver runs the right route, and can win some toss-ups. That may lead to some interceptions, but there's clearly more benefit than risk.

I understand your frustration with playing safe. I agree with you to a point. I was at times, furious with JC and our offense last year. I can't count the times I screamed at the T.V., "Just throw the f**king ball deep! At least try it!!!" There is a fine line between playing aggressive and playing stupid however. Hopefully J.C. can play more aggressive this year throwing to receivers who know their routes as opposed to last year where it seemed like there was a 50/50 chance the receiver would be in the spot where the ball was suppose to be thrown to. From your lists, it looks like 2 QB's from each list made the playoffs last year if I remember correctly. I wouldn't say that proves INT's aren't a bad thing. If anything, it proves their teams were strong enough to overcome their mistakes. I agree that we need to have more of a "Go for it" attitude. With a second consecutive year in the same system and the confidence that comes with that, I'm hoping to see that this year. If not, then some changes need to be made. Playing too safe means playing conservative and shows a lack of confidence in your teams abilities IMO. Confidence was not something our Super Bowl teams lacked. But then again, they had no reason to. When your receivers are consistently doing their job, it can make a QB a lot more confident throwing them the ball. And also the coach who is calling the plays and who would in all likelyhood pull a QB who consistently threw INT's while trying to throw to receivers who were running the wrong routes.

[GusFrerotte]

Eli sucked til his SB year while JC has been rather consistent. Thing is like what DMV said in his thread initiating post, JC hasn't been allowed to win for the most part. Just bought the Sporting News Pro Football preview yesterday and they actually go out on a limib and put us at 4-12. They do think Thomas is going to break out, but not sure that that will make up for such an old O line and the other young Wr's. Lindy's and Athlons put us at a more realistic 8-8, but all 3 pretty much say the same thing. All 3 think JC is good, but don't seem they think he is great either. To be honest, if the Skins do suck this season I think JC will just leave on his own. He is a good QB that is starter caliber and with so many teams in a QB quandry, I am sure he will be a starter elsewhere. Our FO is probably the dumbest bunch of idiots around. If they were actaully going for Cutler and Sanchez they should have gone all out. Instead they made enough of an effort to make it look like they wanted them, but didn't want to pay the asking price. Now JC knows he is not wanted by the people it counts with the most, the FO.

[ethat001]

Well, the two QBs you refer to were:
- Kerry Collins (made it to post-season on defense, running game)
- Chad Pennington -- had a good season

EVERY QB on the top of my list was in contention for the playoffs, including both superbowl QB's. Even Gus Frerotte was 8-3 for the Vikings before he got injured.

Anyway, clearly I'm not advocating throwing interceptions. I know they kill drives and morale. I think 53Fan sees my point -- hopefully JC loosens up a bit and actually trusts our WR's this year to throw to them.