Zorn On The Hot Seat

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

People are already lining up coaching candidates who are coming to DC next year.

For some reason everyone seems to be fine with that.

Not everyone Tee. The loudest, or in this case, the ones who write the most, are the most heard. To answer what the thread asks, I think what you should expect is for a coach to come in and implement a system that will benefit the team towards being successful. I think the coach should be given the time to put such a system in place, obtain players he wants, and allow it enough time to see if the team can comprehend and flourish in it. I think to hire an inexperienced HC to do such a thing without a reasonable amount of time to do it is unreasonable and foolish.

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

Not everyone Tee. The loudest, or in this case, the ones who write the most, are the most heard.

Well I know it is not contested when people talk about who should be the head coach next year.

That's why the thread was created because no one is asking why Zorn has such a short leash being a first time head coach.


That's also something that has irritated me as of late because I'd hate to think our front office has the same sentiment/expectations as our fans. This year and last would be fruitless if Zorn was just a two year filler coach while we waited for the availability of the big name coaches for the big splash in 2010. Needless to say that is gross mishandling of management and personnel by the front office if that is the case.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

Well I know it is not contested when people talk about who should be the head coach next year.

That's why the thread was created because no one is asking why Zorn has such a short leash being a first time head coach.


That's also something that has irritated me as of late because I'd hate to think our front office has the same sentiment/expectations as our fans. This year and last would be fruitless if Zorn was just a two year filler coach while we waited for the availability of the big name coaches for the big splash in 2010. Needless to say that is gross mishandling of management and personnel by the front office if that is the case.

Well I think I have stated that we need to show patience and I think Zorn has us on the right track. I agree 100% with what you're saying about Zorn and the FO if that turns out to be the case.

[SmootSmack]

Fans are not stupid, but they act pretty irrationally a good portion of the time. But that's fine, that's what fans do. The danger is when ownership does that. But anyway, we don't have Fassel in large part due to he and Vinny simply not being able to work together more than anything else. The fans' protest of the hiring has been way overblown.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Fans are not stupid, but they act pretty irrationally a good portion of the time. But that's fine, that's what fans do. The danger is when ownership does that. But anyway, we don't have Fassel in large part due to he and Vinny simply not being able to work together more than anything else. The fans' protest of the hiring has been way overblown.

That's better. I retract my "fans are idiots" statement and replace it with "Fans act pretty irrationally a good portion of the time."

Thanks SS.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

This may seem like another Zorn thread but this is asking an underlying question that I haven't seen asked or discussed.

Jim Zorn was hired as a first time ever head coach last year. He started his rookie coaching stint and led our team to 8-8. In only his second year of coaching...

How is it that our 2nd year head coach is on the Hot Seat?

Now I'm not making excuses for him, nor do I think that he has been showing his coaching worth as of late but the question begs...How is firing him even a consideration at this point? Zorn is in his 2nd year of head coaching for the first time in his career. What expectations were there of this rookie head coach and were they realistic?

Zorn has barely seen his initial rookie player class play in their second year in the NFL. Would you contemplate cutting D. Thomas, M. Kelly or F. Davis around now because they didn't look good?...No, because there wouldn't be an realistic expectation of them necessarily doing well.

What are the REALISTIC expectations currently being placed on Zorn and was there ever a REALISTIC possibility of success given the parameters that Zorn held being hired as the head coach of the Washington Redskins?

He's on the hot seat because of Danny Synder's past history.

He's also on the hot seat because there is an unsual amount of talented superbowl winning HC coaches available.

Billick, Cowher, Holmgren and Shanahan all have superbowl championship rings.

Holmgren was the architect of the Seattle's WCO that Zorn knows and is installing here.

Shanahan is a veteran in the WCO with the Broncos and goes all the way back to his days as an OC with the 49ers w/ Joe Montana/Steve Young and Jerry Rice.

Zorn is like an associate instructor in the WCO these guys are like the Dean's of the WCO.

As much as i like Zorn and want him to succeed, there is no doubt in my mind that Holmgren or Shanahan could come in here right know and not change a thing except take over playcalling and we would win more games.

The question is are we gonna let Zorn grow and be pateint or are we gonna swicth HC and hope that the change doesn't set us back?

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by 30gut

He's on the hot seat because of Danny Synder's past history.

He's also on the hot seat because there is an unsual amount of talented superbowl winning HC coaches available.

Billick, Cowher, Holmgren and Shanahan all have superbowl championship rings.

Holmgren was the architect of the Seattle's WCO that Zorn knows and is installing here.

Shanahan is a veteran in the WCO with the Broncos and goes all the way back to his days as an OC with the 49ers w/ Joe Montana/Steve Young and Jerry Rice.

Zorn is like an associate instructor in the WCO these guys are like the Dean's of the WCO.

As much as i like Zorn and want him to succeed, there is no doubt in my mind that Holmgren or Shanahan could come in here right know and not change a thing except take over playcalling and we would win more games.

The question is are we gonna let Zorn grow and be pateint or are we gonna swicth HC and hope that the change doesn't set us back?

We'd need one of those coaches AND an NFL esteemed GM who'll ask for complete autonomy over personnel and the roster transactions. Then we could at least start from scratch and then gauge our performances just on the field and not outside of it.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

We'd need one of those coaches AND an NFL esteemed GM who'll ask for complete autonomy over personnel and the roster transactions. Then we could at least start from scratch and then gauge our performances just on the field and not outside of it.

I think Cerrato has been doing a good job since he got his new title.

I don't think we need to start from scratch.

There is talent on this team.

Re-tool maybe, re-start-no.

Granted i think that Shanny and Holmgren would be better then Zorn.

But at some point they were in Zorn's shoes and we've got to give Zorn a chance to become a better coach.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by 30gut

He's on the hot seat because of Danny Synder's past history.

He's also on the hot seat because there is an unsual amount of talented superbowl winning HC coaches available.

Billick, Cowher, Holmgren and Shanahan all have superbowl championship rings.

Holmgren was the architect of the Seattle's WCO that Zorn knows and is installing here.

Shanahan is a veteran in the WCO with the Broncos and goes all the way back to his days as an OC with the 49ers w/ Joe Montana/Steve Young and Jerry Rice.

Zorn is like an associate instructor in the WCO these guys are like the Dean's of the WCO.

As much as i like Zorn and want him to succeed, there is no doubt in my mind that Holmgren or Shanahan could come in here right know and not change a thing except take over playcalling and we would win more games.

The question is are we gonna let Zorn grow and be pateint or are we gonna swicth HC and hope that the change doesn't set us back?

You mean like the 4 games that Holmgren won last year or the 8 that Shanahan, like Zorn, won last year?

Elway made Shanahan. He didn't win much of anything after Elway retired.

[30gut]

C'mon man.

Originally Posted by Lotus

You mean like the 4 games that Holmgren won last year

Seahawks didn't have their starting QB for a good portion of the year.
They lost almost every one of the receivers to a major injury.
-BTW

or the 8 that Shanahan, like Zorn, won last year?
Elway made Shanahan. He didn't win much of anything after Elway retired.

Denver's defense was a joke!
Shanny had the #4 offense in the league!
-BTW as a HC and as an OC

You can knock these guys for their GMing debacles but there brilliance on the offensive side of the ball is without question.

[WaldSkins]

Originally Posted by 30gut

He's on the hot seat because of Danny Synder's past history.

He's also on the hot seat because there is an unsual amount of talented superbowl winning HC coaches available.

Billick, Cowher, Holmgren and Shanahan all have superbowl championship rings.

Holmgren was the architect of the Seattle's WCO that Zorn knows and is installing here.

Shanahan is a veteran in the WCO with the Broncos and goes all the way back to his days as an OC with the 49ers w/ Joe Montana/Steve Young and Jerry Rice.

Zorn is like an associate instructor in the WCO these guys are like the Dean's of the WCO.

As much as i like Zorn and want him to succeed, there is no doubt in my mind that Holmgren or Shanahan could come in here right know and not change a thing except take over playcalling and we would win more games.

The question is are we gonna let Zorn grow and be pateint or are we gonna swicth HC and hope that the change doesn't set us back?

Why couldn't we just get an offensive coordinator?

[30gut]

Originally Posted by WaldSkins

Why couldn't we just get an offensive coordinator?

That would be too easy

[T.O.Killa]

Loss to detriot=jim zorn fired

[53Fan]

In Mosley's column about whether Zorn will last the season he recalls another NFC East coach who barely held on to his job after the 06 season. Tom Coughlin went on to coach the Giants to a win in the Super Bowl.

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

In Mosley's column about whether Zorn will last the season he recalls another NFC East coach who barely held on to his job after the 06 season. Tom Coughlin went on to coach the Giants to a win in the Super Bowl.

Though that sounds like a great success story for the giants, recreating their success is doubtful.

We have to deal with the parameters in front of us and not rely on patterning our team around the wonderful stories of yesteryear.


Lets bring in a competent staff and have them pattern a competitive scheme for our team instead of patterning our team upon previous success stories.