Should Ramsey Start Against Chicago?

[SUNRA]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

The line was even worse last year when Ramsey was in.

Also, why is it Portis' fault that Brunell isn't running the passing game effectively? I think the running game hasn't been effective because our passing game is inept. Defenses stack 9 guys in the box because they don't respect Brunell.

Not many backs are going to be successful when you've got 8 or 9 guys in the box on every play blitzing the crap our of us because we can't throw deep.

Eight or nine in the box is what most teams have in the NFL. So what's new? Priest Holmes did it. Lee Suggs did it. You mean to tell me Portis couldn't step it up after all the shit that Ray Lewis was popping ?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Gmanc711

Heres the agrument I have for not getting it done on the ground. We have no blocking, plain and simple. When theres no blocking on the ground, there are no holes and no yardage. Now while some things are still the fault of Portis/Playcalling, I just couldnt see a play where I could be like... WOW Portis sure messed up on that play.
On the other hand, I just found myself getting pissed at Brunell about 30 times tonight. Now while I'm sure half of those werent his fault, he did f**k up alot. Even though the protection sucked, he still had the chances to plant his feet and get rid of the football... but he didnt. I saw so many opprotunities for Brunell, and just didnt see the same for Portis.

My thoughts exactly.

Everyone wants to blame Portis or Brunell, but think about it this way, they're both struggling in fact the entire offense is struggling. Could it be it all starts up front? Could be.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by SUNRA

Brunell has thrown 1 INT this year and the forced fumbles were clearly on the raggedy line.

Check that he's thrown 2 INTs (1 for a TD).

Didn't Ramsey play behind a offensive line and backs that were letting guys crunch him on just about every down last year? Besides, Brunell is the mobile guy Ramsey isn't. So shouldn't Brunell be able to move around AND throw? I've seen him move around, I just haven't seen the throwing on the run part yet. If you can't throw on the run, I'm not sure how invaluable his mobility is.

[SUNRA]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

These same wideouts didn't seem to have a huge problem getting open last year. Have you considered that Brunell just isn't reading and throwing well?

Oh, yes they did. I don't have to remind you of the sacks from last year. Part of holding on to the ball stems from waiting for the WR's to separate. Coles was hurt most of last year and if it were not McCants we would have looked a lot like this offense.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by SUNRA

Eight or nine in the box is what most teams have in the NFL. So what's new? Priest Holmes did it. Lee Suggs did it. You mean to tell me Portis couldn't step it up after all the shit that Ray Lewis was popping ?

Other teams are putting 8 or 9 guys in the box, just not on EVERY down.

Do you believe Brunell is effective? Or is it just that Coles, Garder, the line, Cooley, Portis and everyone else on offense is ineffective? You've said that the line hasn't done its job, Portis deserves to be benched, and the wideouts aren't getting open. BUT, Brunell isn't getting any of the blame.

Some other questions:

#1. Do you really think Portis should be benched?

#2. Do you really think our wideouts aren't getting open?

#3. Do you think our offensive line and blocking backs were much better last year?

#4. Do you think Brunell has been throwing well?

#5. Do you think Brunell is scaring D-backs with his ability to throw deep?

#6. Do you think a QB is capable of making a good offense look bad or vice-versa (i.e. Mike Vick and Chad Pennington)?

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by SUNRA

Eight or nine in the box is what most teams have in the NFL. So what's new? Priest Holmes did it. Lee Suggs did it. You mean to tell me Portis couldn't step it up after all the shit that Ray Lewis was popping ?

all bigger backs than Portis, with lead blockers and proven olines with schemes that aren't new to them.

[SUNRA]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

Check that he's thrown 2 INTs (1 for a TD).

Didn't Ramsey play behind a offensive line and backs that were letting guys crunch him on just about every down last year? Besides, Brunell is the mobile guy Ramsey isn't. So shouldn't Brunell be able to move around AND throw? I've seen him move around, I just haven't seen the throwing on the run part yet. If you can't throw on the run, I'm not sure how invaluable his mobility is.

2 INTS in 5 games by Brunell and Ramsey 3 INTS in one game? Yeah you do the math. We still lose. Bring in Ramsey so all of you can then call for Hasselbeck, and Then Theismann to come back.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by DirtBagZ

I disagree. I am not in the DC area so could not catch any of the post-game, but I can almost guarantee there will be yet another, "Mark played his guts out" from Gibbs.

Gibbs shelters his players, so I would not expect him to call a guy out, but to keep praising Brunell for playing his guts out, is a bit much. Brunell has been instrumental in lossing each of these games.

It is only now after this last debacle, that more people on this forum are begining to call out Brunell. 83 yds passing speaks volumes. As does his constant happy feet, he does not plant and throw.

There was a special on one of the pregame shows a few weeks back highlighting McNabb, who made of point of saying that his improved accuracy was due to better footwork and using his lower body in his throws. If a strong armed quarterback like McNabb has to use his lower body, is anyone going argue that the same does not apply to Brunell?

Gibbs didn't come right out and say it after the game, but he did reportedly say he's going to consider some changes. Take it for what it is.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by SUNRA

Oh, yes they did. I don't have to remind you of the sacks from last year. Part of holding on to the ball stems from waiting for the WR's to separate. Coles was hurt most of last year and if it were not McCants we would have looked a lot like this offense.

I remember seeing our wideouts open a LOT last year. How many times do you remember seeing Coles open downfield but our QB (Ramsey or Hasselbeck) getting knocked upside the head?

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by SUNRA

2 INTS in 5 games by Brunell and Ramsey 3 INTS in one game? Yeah you do the math. We still lose. Bring in Ramsey so all of you can then call for Hasselbeck, and Then Theismann to come back.

You're judging Ramsey based on 1 horrible half of play. I'm judging Brunell based on 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 WEEKS (that's 10 halves or crappy play).

Just curious, did you have this same feeling about Ramsey last year? All I hear about is Ramsey's play against the Giants. Last I checked, he's played in about 16 other games as a rookie and 2nd year vet.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

You're judging Ramsey based on 1 horrible half of play. I'm judging Brunell based on 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 WEEKS (that's 10 halves or crappy play).

Just curious, did you have this same feeling about Ramsey last year? All I hear about is Ramsey's play against the Giants. Last I checked, he's played in about 16 other games as a rookie and 2nd year vet.

It's a different offense now, besides, you can't argue the fact he's regressed over the course of the past year, once he started getting hammered week in and week out his play went in the toilet. He also stunk in the preseason this year. It's not just the Giants game.

[illdefined]

its not a question of who's better guys. Brunell isn't good ENOUGH, period. Ramsey is probably worse. even so, he's our future, so its time to "learn" him. Brunell isn't going to get any better from here on out, only worse, so its time to bench him.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

I don't think you can say Ramsey has regressed. He's played one half of regular season play. Also, BTW Brunell didn't look good in the preseason.

Matty, when did you change your opinion of Ramsey? I remember you used to be as high on the guy as I was/am.

[MTK]

I love Ramsey, but the truth is after the first 4 games of last year he didn't play well at all the rest of the year and it's carried right over to this year.

He was horrible this preseason, how quickly we forget I guess.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

Other teams are putting 8 or 9 guys in the box, just not on EVERY down.

Do you believe Brunell is effective? Or is it just that Coles, Garder, the line, Cooley, Portis and everyone else on offense is ineffective? You've said that the line hasn't done its job, Portis deserves to be benched, and the wideouts aren't getting open. BUT, Brunell isn't getting any of the blame.

Some other questions:

#1. Do you really think Portis should be benched? No, he needs to get some more blocking. Not having 9 men in the box will help.

#2. Do you really think our wideouts aren't getting open? Hard to say without being at the games or coaches tapes

#3. Do you think our offensive line and blocking backs were much better last year? No.

#4. Do you think Brunell has been throwing well? NO!

#5. Do you think Brunell is scaring D-backs with his ability to throw deep?
I think they are more scared of me throwing deep than Brunell!

#6. Do you think a QB is capable of making a good offense look bad or vice-versa (i.e. Mike Vick and Chad Pennington)? Without question. The QB determines how a defensive gameplan is implemented. If you don't have to account for the passing game (i.e. Redskins) you can focus everything on stopping the run

I think we've seen what Brunell can do, and it isn't much.. It's time for him to hold a clipboard. Ramsey has started and won in the league. Now the pressure he was feeling in the pre-season should be minimized since it's not a competition anymore. We need to see if he can cut it or if we need to completely start over at QB..