Looking ahead, it's only going to get worse

[djnemo65]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well I know I'm in the minority here, but I think we have some talented players but they need to play. If we start to really falter, like we're 2-6, then why not start Montgomery at C and Rinehart at RG the rest of the way? Neither Rabach nor Thomas (most likely) will be here next year. Same with Smoot, make him inactive and make Barnes your dime back. Start Jarmon and Orakpo on the line. Start Chris Wilson, Start DT and Kelly, and make Moss your slot receiver...and so on

Seems like a no brainer to me. But given that Zorn or Gray or whoever will almost certainly not be coming back next year and will thus be auditioning for another job, it's hard to imagine they will be concerned with playing for the future.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well I know I'm in the minority here, but I think we have some talented players but they need to play. If we start to really falter, like we're 2-6, then why not start Montgomery at C and Rinehart at RG the rest of the way? Neither Rabach nor Thomas (most likely) will be here next year. Same with Smoot, make him inactive and make Barnes your dime back. Start Jarmon and Orakpo on the line. Start Chris Wilson, Start DT and Kelly, and make Moss your slot receiver...and so on

Agree, but don't wait. No way we make the playoffs.

OL - Heyer RT, Rinehart RG, Monty C, Dock LG, Samuels LT (if he's injured Batiste, or MW, don't move Heyer)
QB - Give JC a couple more games, but don't protect him with the playcalls like this game. If he doesn't improve over the next two weeks. Play Woodson see what you have/don't have there. If a reasonable trade can be made for Quinn (something that doesn't include a #1 or #2 draft pick) pull the trigger and get Quinn in.
RB - more Mason in the rotation.
WR - In any 3WR set, DT at Z, Kelly at X, Moss at slot. 2WR sets go Moss at Z and rotate DT / Kelly depending on the playcall or situation. Deep go with DT, Possesion go Kelly.
TE - more 2TE sets that put Cooley and Davis in the slot to spread the D out more and create mismatches with LBs/DBs.

RDE - start Orakpo.
DT - keep current rotation
LDE - start Jarmon, cut Wynn, bring Jackson up.
LB - More Wilson, Blades, A. Carter if necessary until we can address LB in the off-season
CB - activate Barnes. I would go so far as to rotate Barnes in with Rogers/Hall. If Rogers is traded or allowed to leave, we need someone to step up in house. Tryon can be a good Nickel CB IMO, probably will have issues as a # 1 or #2 CB.
S - we're pretty set here.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well I know I'm in the minority here, but I think we have some talented players but they need to play. If we start to really falter, like we're 2-6, then why not start Montgomery at C and Rinehart at RG the rest of the way? Neither Rabach nor Thomas (most likely) will be here next year. Same with Smoot, make him inactive and make Barnes your dime back. Start Jarmon and Orakpo on the line. Start Chris Wilson, Start DT and Kelly, and make Moss your slot receiver...and so on

Often players believe against belief that they can turn things around, so cutting losses prematurely could send the wrong message. I'd wait until we've lost 7 games (which sadly may not be far off). At that point, I'd consider your plan to be spot on. Give the young bucks experience and an opportunity to prove themselves.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well I know I'm in the minority here, but I think we have some talented players but they need to play. If we start to really falter, like we're 2-6, then why not start Montgomery at C and Rinehart at RG the rest of the way? Neither Rabach nor Thomas (most likely) will be here next year. Same with Smoot, make him inactive and make Barnes your dime back. Start Jarmon and Orakpo on the line. Start Chris Wilson, Start DT and Kelly, and make Moss your slot receiver...and so on

Actually, I think you are in the majority. I would endorse ALL those moves. Further, I would have Marko Mitchell active and set the receivers as M.Kelly; D. Thomas/M. Mitchell alternate as No. 2/4; Moss as number 3; Randle-el as the 5th.

Also, DT is the return man - maybe he can end up being a spectacular returner a la' Desmond Howard.

Give Zorn a shot with the youngsters and see what happens. At the end of the year, show him the door if the ineptitude continues.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well I know I'm in the minority here, but I think we have some talented players but they need to play. If we start to really falter, like we're 2-6, then why not start Montgomery at C and Rinehart at RG the rest of the way? Neither Rabach nor Thomas (most likely) will be here next year. Same with Smoot, make him inactive and make Barnes your dime back. Start Jarmon and Orakpo on the line. Start Chris Wilson, Start DT and Kelly, and make Moss your slot receiver...and so on

I totally agree. We do have some talented young players, all they need is an opportunity. Watching last night's game seeing so many young players making pays had me asking myself why can't the Redskins do that?

Braylon Edwards has only been with the Jets five days, scored two touchdowns on the kind of plays we should be running to our receivers Mitchell & Kelly. It's difficult for me to understand why our young players do not get more of a chance to show what they can do. We also need for the QB to be unafraid to give his receivers a chance to make a play.

[SFREDSKIN]

Joe Gibbs proved he could win with scrubs, with Bugel's coaching some of these young guys just might surprise. I'm not giving up, NEVER!!!!!!!!!!

[skins89moss]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

I totally agree. We do have some talented young players, all they need is an opportunity. Watching last night's game seeing so many young players making pays had me asking myself why can't the Redskins do that?

Braylon Edwards has only been with the Jets five days, scored two touchdowns on the kind of plays we should be running to our receivers Mitchell & Kelly. It's difficult for me to understand why our young players do not get more of a chance to show what they can do. We also need for the QB to be unafraid to give his receivers a chance to make a play.

JC went deep to Kelly in the Tampa game and Kelly was 1on1. Kelly did not fight for the ball and the Bucs picked it off. In the Panthers game he went deep to DT the boss hit his hands but he could not hold on. DT did lay out but it was a tough catch. Big time players make that catch.

[SirClintonPortis]

Oakland actually has a good pass D(Asomugha) while San Diego's D suxxorz

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I can't help but look ahead on the schedule and wonder how much worse it's gonna get. This was supposed to be the "easy" stretch of the schedule and we're looking at limping in to the bye at best 3-4, possibly 2-5.

Check out what's ahead after the bye:

@ Atlanta
Denver
@ Dallas
@ Philly
New Orleans
@ Oakland
NYG
Dallas
@ San Diego

Outside of Oakland, it's looking like a rough 2nd half of the year. Top 5 pick anyone? Buckle up folks, things are gonna get real bumpy.

As painful as it is to say, a 4-12 type season could be the best thing that can happen for this franchise. As much as JLC annoyed me with his agendas and negativity, one thing he often said was that by hovering in the 7-9, 8-8, 9-7 range every year management always thought we were one or two players away from the next level. A brutally awful season may be the catalyst for Snyder to finally wake up and hear what everyone outside of a 3 office radius has been saying and make some serious changes.

[JGisLordOfTheRings]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

As painful as it is to say, a 4-12 type season could be the best thing that can happen for this franchise. As much as JLC annoyed me with his agendas and negativity, one thing he often said was that by hovering in the 7-9, 8-8, 9-7 range every year management always thought we were one or two players away from the next level. A brutally awful season may be the catalyst for Snyder to finally wake up and hear what everyone outside of a 3 office radius has been saying and make some serious changes.

Nevermind.

My thoughts exactly, very well put. A 4-12 season would let Danny know he needs to step back and it would get the new ownership a good pick to start with.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by JGisLordOfTheRings

Nevermind.

My thoughts exactly, very well put. A 4-12 season would let Danny know he needs to step back and it would get the new ownership a good pick to start with.

Snyder has convenient scapegoats in Zorn and Campbell. I don't see him ever accepting fault for the poor product he puts on the field. The only way that I see him waking up is if we the fans stop buying into this bullshit. Stop buying jerseys and jackets, stop going to the games, stop paying for parking and concessions. I will probably always watch the games on TV, because that's what I do, but I'll be damned if I give Snyder another dime through tickets, concessions, or gear until he brings in a real football guy to run the show.

[JGisLordOfTheRings]

If we get to the bye at 3-4 we can continue but I cannot stand going 7-9 and getting a garbage pick.

[44Deezel]

There are going to be some BAD losses ahead. I predict at least one team will hang 40 on us (probably New Orleans), and we will fail to score a TD in at least 2 games, with at least one being a complete shut-out. Oakland and KC are the only winnable games left on the schedule. We'll probably be down to ARE as our QB by the end of the year. Campbell's going to get sacked 4-8 times a game from here on in.

4 or 5 wins tops this year.

[ArtMonkDrillz]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

There are going to be some BAD losses ahead. I predict at least one team will hang 40 on us (probably New Orleans), and we will fail to score a TD in at least 2 games, with at least one being a complete shut-out. Oakland and KC are the only winnable games left on the schedule. We'll probably be down to ARE as our QB by the end of the year. Campbell's going to get sacked 4-8 times a game from here on in.

4 or 5 wins tops this year.

Do you mean like when we didn't score any TDs against the Mighty Rams?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I can't help but look ahead on the schedule and wonder how much worse it's gonna get. This was supposed to be the "easy" stretch of the schedule and we're looking at limping in to the bye at best 3-4, possibly 2-5.

Check out what's ahead after the bye:

@ Atlanta
Denver
@ Dallas
@ Philly
New Orleans
@ Oakland
NYG
Dallas
@ San Diego

Outside of Oakland, it's looking like a rough 2nd half of the year. Top 5 pick anyone? Buckle up folks, things are gonna get real bumpy.

No doubt that's a tough schedule, but there's a lot of beatable teams there if the defense pitches it's best game. Atlanta is beatable, Denver is beatable, Dallas is very beatable, Oakland will beat themselves, and San Diego is beatable.

The two really, really tough teams on the remaining schedule, NYG and NO, we don't play them until the start of December. We'll probably be under a new coach by then, and we'll probably be a very different (if not improved team).

The key for the season is to get to the bye in good shape. Perhaps that means a simple 3-4 record, but playing Philly tough. If you lose the next two games to fall to 2-5, it hardly matters who we have after the bye, that's a 6-10 or 5-11 season.