attn: those rocking other team avatars

The Goat · 10-18-2009, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Schneed10

That's ridiculous. Dan Snyder watches one thing to monitor fans' committment to the team: the money they spend on them. An "avatar mutiny" on a fan website would actually make a difference to Dan Snyder? What planet do you live on?

I totally agree...and precisely why I haven't bought anything from Snyder in over a year and don't plan on it until he 1) completely turns the team over to a legit GM 2) no longer owns the team.

...that said I don't think there's anything wrong w/ fans expressing their utter disgust of the appalling mismanagement of the franchise in other ways as well. The billboard idea is pretty smooth. I think the best thing to do though is an organized effort where fans (those willing to throw their money away) take signs to the home games calling out the clowns in the FO to stop the insanity.

Trample the Elderly · 10-18-2009, 05:37 PM

In the end does it really matter? I liked watching NO beat up on the Giants. It can be done!

Monkeydad · 10-19-2009, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Schneed10

That's ridiculous. Dan Snyder watches one thing to monitor fans' committment to the team: the money they spend on them. An "avatar mutiny" on a fan website would actually make a difference to Dan Snyder? What planet do you live on?

Look you're either a fan or you're not. If you feel pissed off and saddened by what's going on, then it's clear you still care about the Redskins. But if you're starting to say hey you know what, I might enjoy watching the Saints play because they're fun to watch, that's headed down a bad road.

Besides, Dan Snyder wants to win football games. He sucks at it, but he wants to win. I don't think any boycotts, whether financial or avatar (pfft) will make a difference to him. We hear a lot of stuff about Zorn's status, but for all we know Snyder could be ready to drop the axe on both him and Vinny.

If this changing the avatars thing is meant as some sort of protest against Dan Snyder, then maybe I'm off-base in questioning someone's committment to the team. But I definitely don't think I'm off base in thinking they're idiots (honestly, who in their right mind thinks that's going to make a bit of difference???).

Agreed on all points. I am a true fan through the good and the bad...both the Spurrier and Zorn experiments as well as the Gibbs glory years. I could not show support for another team, whether jokingly or seriously.

Besides, we're not even Snyder's "favored" web site...he doesn't even care if we're here or not, let alone monitor our avatars.

It's is sad to see how people can give up on their team so easily. Yes, this is the low point of the Redskins in most of our lives, but I'm sticking with them.

Don't forget, the Skins had a playoff drought from 1946 to 1970, including back-to-back 1-win seasons in the early 60s. We're nowhere near that bad right now.

SBXVII · 10-18-2009, 02:49 AM

You know I've been a Skins fan since 74 and will always remain a Skins fan. There may be people out there who feel they are a better fan then me based on the fact that they have season tickets...sorry I can't afford them, or because they purchase everything that's associated with the Skins...I'm simply not a fanatic, but just because I don't bleed Burgandy and Gold does not mean I don't feel the change in atmosphere vs. if the team wins or loses. It does not mean I am any lesser fan then any of the rest of you. Believe what you will, call me what you want, label me anything you wish, but I will not be bullied or harrassed into changing my avatar simply to accomodate a few that have personal issues in regards to my showing displeasure toward my teams owner.

No I have not donned another teams avatar because I could not bring myself to do that. but that does not mean I do not have another team that I also like. Just because I have more then one team I like does not make me a lesser fan. Especially since the Skins are my #1 team/home team. I even went so far as to pick the blue NFL logo because I thought the AFC used red. So I stuck with the NFC colors. I would hope that someone from the Skins organization is watching the boards and happily reporting back to Ole DS and VC. I want them to see my displeasure. Maybe changes will be made.

It's funny to hear all the cheerleaders of the team. Perhaps you all should be donning the shorty shorts and the sports bra also. I can see that people are so easily persuaded when supposedly confronted or called out on how much of a fan they are. Well guess what ...I'm not. You all are the biggest fans I know. Way better fans then me. You guys bleed Burgandy and Gold. I hope I've made you happy. But...don't think that by your little minds believing this I'm going to change my avatar. Not going to happen until DS changes his ways.

And...if you were a true fan and cared about this team as much as you say you do...you would stop taking your fandom out on other fans and take it out on the owner and challenge him to change his ways. Have a nice G.D. day.

hooskins · 10-18-2009, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by SBXVII

You know I've been a Skins fan since 74 and will always remain a Skins fan. There may be people out there who feel they are a better fan then me based on the fact that they have season tickets...sorry I can't afford them, or because they purchase everything that's associated with the Skins...I'm simply not a fanatic, but just because I don't bleed Burgandy and Gold does not mean I don't feel the change in atmosphere vs. if the team wins or loses. It does not mean I am any lesser fan then any of the rest of you. Believe what you will, call me what you want, label me anything you wish, but I will not be bullied or harrassed into changing my avatar simply to accomodate a few that have personal issues in regards to my showing displeasure toward my teams owner.

No I have not donned another teams avatar because I could not bring myself to do that. but that does not mean I do not have another team that I also like. Just because I have more then one team I like does not make me a lesser fan. Especially since the Skins are my #1 team/home team. I even went so far as to pick the blue NFL logo because I thought the AFC used red. So I stuck with the NFC colors. I would hope that someone from the Skins organization is watching the boards and happily reporting back to Ole DS and VC. I want them to see my displeasure. Maybe changes will be made.

It's funny to hear all the cheerleaders of the team. Perhaps you all should be donning the shorty shorts and the sports bra also. I can see that people are so easily persuaded when supposedly confronted or called out on how much of a fan they are. Well guess what ...I'm not. You all are the biggest fans I know. Way better fans then me. You guys bleed Burgandy and Gold. I hope I've made you happy. But...don't think that by your little minds believing this I'm going to change my avatar. Not going to happen until DS changes his ways.

And...if you were a true fan and cared about this team as much as you say you do...you would stop taking your fandom out on other fans and take it out on the owner and challenge him to change his ways. Have a nice G.D. day.

I am not "cheerleading" the Skins, I am saying dont change your avy to another teams. You didn't. Why? because you said you couldn't bring yourself to doing it. Why? Because you are a true skins fan man. That little feeling/voice that told you not to pick another teams avy, was your conscience telling you not to rock another teams color. Rocking the NFL avy isn't really as bad, IMO.

Plus nobody said you should change your avy back, do what you want. As I said, it is a free country.

Am I proud of the current organization? Hell no, and just because I have a SKins avy doesnt mean I have season tix. I went to one game this year(home opener) because of free tix, and that was early this season. I am not planning to go anymore ever or buy more products till Snyder makes a big change.

I think you are missing the whole point of what I was getting at. The Skins logo does not just represent the 09-10 Skins. There is a ton of legacy and history behind that logo which I am proud of. When I show that logo on a forum, that is what I am representing. We are not representing the 09-10 Skins with our logos on a website; the 09-10 Redskins are representing the 09-10 Redskins on the field.

wolfeskins · 10-18-2009, 11:54 AM

nice points hooskins. i feel the same way.i kinda understand if a person decides to change their avatar in protest of the front office but to me the redskins emblem represents the redskins as a whole from day 1 till right now. if you wanna rock the skins colors when they're winning,you also gotta rock their colors when they're losing, thats how i feel.

Trample the Elderly · 10-18-2009, 12:23 PM

I can do whatever I want as long as the mods say I'm within the rules of the board. If you don't like my Steeler's, NFL, or Reed Doughty Avatars, well too bad.
As for fair weather fan, say what you want. I've been waiting for over ten years for good weather. We've had a few breaks in the storm every once in awhile, but for the most part its been a steady stream, if not a total downpour. When you're in the rain for that long it's impossible not to get sick.
Perhaps some of you think that I want the Skins to lose. Nothing can be farther from the truth. I want the Skins to win every effing game by big margins, but I'll take a win.
This is the only way I can show my anger towards the ownership of this team, besides not buying merchandise. Snyder is lucky to have people like us who still give a shit. I know of a lot of people who went to the Steelers and the Ravens. Most of the people I know, who wouldn't switch, don't even bother to watch anymore.

hooskins · 10-18-2009, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

I can do whatever I want as long as the mods say I'm within the rules of the board. If you don't like my Steeler's, NFL, or Reed Doughty Avatars, well too bad.
As for fair weather fan, say what you want. I've been waiting for over ten years for good weather. We've had a few breaks in the storm every once in awhile, but for the most part its been a steady stream, if not a total downpour. When you're in the rain for that long it's impossible not to get sick.
Perhaps some of you think that I want the Skins to lose. Nothing can be farther from the truth. I want the Skins to win every effing game by big margins, but I'll take a win.
This is the only way I can show my anger towards the ownership of this team, besides not buying merchandise. Snyder is lucky to have people like us who still give a shit. I know of a lot of people who went to the Steelers and the Ravens. Most of the people I know, who wouldn't switch, don't even bother to watch anymore.

So you feel the Redskins logo only represents this season and the current ownership.

It doesn't. By switching your logo you are lumping your displeasure this season with all the Skins have done in the past IMO.

jsarno · 10-18-2009, 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by tryfuhl

sickening

if you're going to desert us, go ahead and do it fully and become fans of that team alone

that being said, I now START the drinking

I hear ya man...I've had the exact same avatar for YEARS! Never changed it.

SBXVII · 10-18-2009, 12:52 PM

Trample....get over it. We are fair weather fans. We don't have as much spirit as those who choose to "Rock the Colors or Avatars."

and now we are not idiot enough to think that even if we could bribe you all to change your avatar, that it would show up on DS's radar and he would feel compelled to fire everyone and bring in all new staff including a GM and step back and enjoy the show. I mean it's a nice thought but not going to happen. but it does allow some of us fair weather fans to feel like we are voicing our opinions or feelings perhaps even bonding with you most spirited folk. Unless you all would like to start a petition or have us all write a letter or e-mail to DS.

hooskins · 10-18-2009, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by SBXVII

Trample....get over it. We are fair weather fans. We don't have as much spirit as those who choose to "Rock the Colors or Avatars."

and now we are not idiot enough to think that even if we could bribe you all to change your avatar, that it would show up on DS's radar and he would feel compelled to fire everyone and bring in all new staff including a GM and step back and enjoy the show. I mean it's a nice thought but not going to happen. but it does allow some of us fair weather fans to feel like we are voicing our opinions or feelings perhaps even bonding with you most spirited folk. Unless you all would like to start a petition or have us all write a letter or e-mail to DS.

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KLHJ2 · 10-19-2009, 01:54 PM

Is this lamethetic?

Edit: When this post was made the poster was sporting a Raiders Avatar. The Raiders were selected because despite their crappy record they actually managed to beat the Eagles this week. The poster would have chosen the New Orleans Saints Avatar because they took out the Giants this week but he chose not to however because sporting a shitty team is just funnier in the opinion of the poster. The poster does not typically refer to himself in the 3rd person he just did not feel that writing the letter I would have done this explanation justice.

EARTHQUAKE2689 · 10-19-2009, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Angry

Is this lamethetic?

Nope, its Digorno.

GhettoDogAllStars · 10-19-2009, 02:33 PM

There was a blog posted earlier that made a great point: only in sports would patrons continue to support an establishment that never satisfies. It's like going back to the same restaurant over and over again, when they burn the entree every time.

I can totally understand people who want to root for other teams -- not because we're having a poor season -- because there is little hope given the current structure. In any other aspect of life, nobody would question such behavior -- only in sports is it unacceptable.

To me, a fairweather fan is somebody who is only interested in the team if they're winning -- regardless of anything else. A fan who has stood by the team in years of losing, and now realizes they don't want to support a defective philosophy is something COMPLETELY different. So, it comes down to your reasons. Fairweather fans only care about winning. Good fans know enough about the team, and football in general, to care more about philosophy than winning. If we had a great philosophy, but were still losing, there'd be no justification, IMO. But, we have no direction, no plan, no philosophy, and no hope until those things change.

It's also silly to me that people justify blind, unconditional support for the team based on the past. I will always love the Redskins because of their history. My love is unconditional, but my support is definitely conditional. Snyder has ruined this team, and although I still support them, that will not last forever unless some fundamental changes are made. Call me fairweather -- I call you a sheep and a chump. Keep making Danny rich, and never getting any satisfaction. Keep fanning the fire -- maybe it will get so big this organization will burn to the ground.

tryfuhl · 10-19-2009, 05:34 PM

Well if you people don't like it (not to say that I do) go ahead and switch teams, but stick with them through the thick and thin, not that you will, because you're not now.

10-18-2009, 05:37 PM	#2
Trample the Elderly Playmaker Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Three Chopt Virginia Age: 48 Posts: 2,906	Re: attn: those rocking other team avatars In the end does it really matter? I liked watching NO beat up on the Giants. It can be done! __________________ A funny thing happened on the way to the temple. The moneychangers bought the priesthood.

10-18-2009, 02:49 AM	#4
SBXVII Franchise Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 7,766	Re: attn: those rocking other team avatars You know I've been a Skins fan since 74 and will always remain a Skins fan. There may be people out there who feel they are a better fan then me based on the fact that they have season tickets...sorry I can't afford them, or because they purchase everything that's associated with the Skins...I'm simply not a fanatic, but just because I don't bleed Burgandy and Gold does not mean I don't feel the change in atmosphere vs. if the team wins or loses. It does not mean I am any lesser fan then any of the rest of you. Believe what you will, call me what you want, label me anything you wish, but I will not be bullied or harrassed into changing my avatar simply to accomodate a few that have personal issues in regards to my showing displeasure toward my teams owner. No I have not donned another teams avatar because I could not bring myself to do that. but that does not mean I do not have another team that I also like. Just because I have more then one team I like does not make me a lesser fan. Especially since the Skins are my #1 team/home team. I even went so far as to pick the blue NFL logo because I thought the AFC used red. So I stuck with the NFC colors. I would hope that someone from the Skins organization is watching the boards and happily reporting back to Ole DS and VC. I want them to see my displeasure. Maybe changes will be made. It's funny to hear all the cheerleaders of the team. Perhaps you all should be donning the shorty shorts and the sports bra also. I can see that people are so easily persuaded when supposedly confronted or called out on how much of a fan they are. Well guess what ...I'm not. You all are the biggest fans I know. Way better fans then me. You guys bleed Burgandy and Gold. I hope I've made you happy. But...don't think that by your little minds believing this I'm going to change my avatar. Not going to happen until DS changes his ways. And...if you were a true fan and cared about this team as much as you say you do...you would stop taking your fandom out on other fans and take it out on the owner and challenge him to change his ways. Have a nice G.D. day.

10-18-2009, 11:54 AM	#6
wolfeskins The Starter Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: chesapeake,va. Posts: 2,160	Re: attn: those rocking other team avatars nice points hooskins. i feel the same way.i kinda understand if a person decides to change their avatar in protest of the front office but to me the redskins emblem represents the redskins as a whole from day 1 till right now. if you wanna rock the skins colors when they're winning,you also gotta rock their colors when they're losing, thats how i feel. __________________ Hail to Allen/Shanahan .... bring in some baby hogs and load up on diesel fuel !!! (budw38)

10-18-2009, 12:23 PM	#7
Trample the Elderly Playmaker Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Three Chopt Virginia Age: 48 Posts: 2,906	Re: attn: those rocking other team avatars I can do whatever I want as long as the mods say I'm within the rules of the board. If you don't like my Steeler's, NFL, or Reed Doughty Avatars, well too bad. As for fair weather fan, say what you want. I've been waiting for over ten years for good weather. We've had a few breaks in the storm every once in awhile, but for the most part its been a steady stream, if not a total downpour. When you're in the rain for that long it's impossible not to get sick. Perhaps some of you think that I want the Skins to lose. Nothing can be farther from the truth. I want the Skins to win every effing game by big margins, but I'll take a win. This is the only way I can show my anger towards the ownership of this team, besides not buying merchandise. Snyder is lucky to have people like us who still give a shit. I know of a lot of people who went to the Steelers and the Ravens. Most of the people I know, who wouldn't switch, don't even bother to watch anymore. __________________ A funny thing happened on the way to the temple. The moneychangers bought the priesthood.

10-18-2009, 12:52 PM	#10
SBXVII Franchise Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 7,766	Re: attn: those rocking other team avatars Trample....get over it. We are fair weather fans. We don't have as much spirit as those who choose to *"Rock the Colors or Avatars."* and now we are not idiot enough to think that even if we could bribe you all to change your avatar, that it would show up on DS's radar and he would feel compelled to fire everyone and bring in all new staff including a GM and step back and enjoy the show. I mean it's a nice thought but not going to happen. but it does allow some of us fair weather fans to feel like we are voicing our opinions or feelings perhaps even bonding with you most spirited folk. Unless you all would like to start a petition or have us all write a letter or e-mail to DS.

10-19-2009, 01:54 PM	#12
KLHJ2 Inactive Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: DC Metro Area Age: 48 Posts: 5,829	Re: attn: those rocking other team avatars Is this lamethetic? Edit: When this post was made the poster was sporting a Raiders Avatar. The Raiders were selected because despite their crappy record they actually managed to beat the Eagles this week. The poster would have chosen the New Orleans Saints Avatar because they took out the Giants this week but he chose not to however because sporting a shitty team is just funnier in the opinion of the poster. The poster does not typically refer to himself in the 3rd person he just did not feel that writing the letter I would have done this explanation justice. Last edited by KLHJ2; 10-19-2009 at 02:20 PM.

10-19-2009, 02:33 PM	#14
GhettoDogAllStars Playmaker Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Denver Age: 44 Posts: 2,762	Re: attn: those rocking other team avatars There was a blog posted earlier that made a great point: only in sports would patrons continue to support an establishment that never satisfies. It's like going back to the same restaurant over and over again, when they burn the entree every time. I can totally understand people who want to root for other teams -- not because we're having a poor season -- because there is little hope given the current structure. In any other aspect of life, nobody would question such behavior -- only in sports is it unacceptable. To me, a fairweather fan is somebody who is only interested in the team if they're winning -- regardless of anything else. A fan who has stood by the team in years of losing, and now realizes they don't want to support a defective philosophy is something COMPLETELY different. So, it comes down to your reasons. Fairweather fans only care about winning. Good fans know enough about the team, and football in general, to care more about philosophy than winning. If we had a great philosophy, but were still losing, there'd be no justification, IMO. But, we have no direction, no plan, no philosophy, and no hope until those things change. It's also silly to me that people justify blind, unconditional support for the team based on the past. I will always love the Redskins because of their history. My love is unconditional, but my support is definitely conditional. Snyder has ruined this team, and although I still support them, that will not last forever unless some fundamental changes are made. Call me fairweather -- I call you a sheep and a chump. Keep making Danny rich, and never getting any satisfaction. Keep fanning the fire -- maybe it will get so big this organization will burn to the ground. __________________ To succeed in the world it is not enough to be stupid, you must also be well-mannered.

10-19-2009, 05:34 PM	#15
tryfuhl Gamebreaker Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Waldorf, MD Age: 42 Posts: 12,514	Re: attn: those rocking other team avatars Well if you people don't like it (not to say that I do) go ahead and switch teams, but stick with them through the thick and thin, not that you will, because you're not now.

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