Short memories from angry fans

That Guy · 10-19-2004, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SUNRA

An old receiver is certainly not what this team needs. We need a kick off returner, and an offensive lineman.

we got 3 good returners, what we need is BLOCKING!

sportscurmudgeon · 10-19-2004, 09:35 PM

Matty:

Vegas was WONDERFUL! Thanx for asking. I returned home in sensory overload from watching all the NFL games and about 20-25 college football games and all the baseball games over the weekend and horse races from about 2 dozen tracks around the country. Oh, and did I mention that wagering was available on all of them?

For the record, I took the Skins to win and got 1.5 points because by game time the Bears had become the favorite. I also took the game UNDER 34 points. That was easy. And I parlayed those two bets and collected on everything. In addition, I took a first half get that the total score at halftime would be UNDER 18. That game was very good to me!!

I think Dockery could become something useful with the right coaching and the right usage. However, he is slow afoot and you cannot use him in a scheme that requires him to lead a runner downfield on a sweep He's not going to get there this season! My description of someone that slow is that he is likely to be rear-ended by a glacier!

But he is big and he obviously worked hard in the offeason to get rid of a lot of the baby-fat he carried last year so that tells me he has the desire and the "coachability" to improve. So, I don't want the Skins to get rid of him, but I cannot allow someone to say that Dockery belongs on a list of players that a Super Bowl aspirant would trade for to "put them over the top". Hopefully for the Skins he'll develop into that kind of player, but for now, that's just absurd.

Jerry Rice might be a good addition to the team as a role model for the young players regarding conditioning and regarding the "cerebral aspects" of the game. But Jerry Rice is not the pass receiver that he was even three years ago; he will not catch any 6 yard passes over the middle break one tqackle and run 65 yards to the end zone. Those days are behind him. I don't think the Skins have room to have a player like Rice who will demand to play - and complain if he doesn't - but whose skills are no longer what the team needs. For a memory of the recent past, let me say two words here:

Bruce ... Smith !!!

Defensewins · 10-20-2004, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Bugel seems to really like Dockery, call me crazy but I'll defer to Boss Hog on personnel decisions involving the line.

He's a 2nd year guy who wasn't even supposed to see the field much in his rookie year. I'd say he's progressing pretty well, he sure looks to be in better shape this year compared to last. Let's let the guy develop a bit more before we draft his replacement.

Bugel says he likes him because he has nobody else that could take his place. He doesn't want to cut down a player he really needs and counts on this year, he is trying to give him more confidance.
Lets not kid ourselves though, Dockery is not very good. I still stand by my comment that I have never seen Dockery (in the 21 games he has been a starter) make a single great/pancake block since he joined the Redskins.
Plus he was a third round (81st overall) selection in the 2003 NFL Draft, a former consensus first team All-American and Outland Trophy semi-finalist. He is not some guy we found on the street. To say he was not supposed to see the field in his first year not my opinion. Joe Jacoby, Russ Grimm and Mark May all started from day 1 in their rookie year and never looked back. Joe Jacoby was not even drafted. Dockery is supposed to be pretty good, but he is not even that so far.
Matty72, I hope Dockery improves and becomes the next Russ Grimm. I am not saying get rid of Dockery, I am just saying we should consider getting reinforcements at his position, just in case he does not pan out. A plan 'B' just in case.

MTK · 10-20-2004, 12:21 PM

I guess we'll just have to disagree on Dockery. I see a young player with great size and solid potential. Certainly not the kind of player I'd give up on after just 2 seasons or need to have a plan 'b' in place for. I don't think Bugel is just blowing smoke up his butt, he seems to genuinely like him as a player and he's always gushed when talking about him, he doesn't do the same for all the lineman. The left side of the line has been very solid this year and that's not all due to Samuels.

He was a 3rd round pick and not some no-name lineman I agree, but most scouts agreed he wasn't ready to plug in right away in his rookie season. He got by in college on his size and raw skills, but he wasn't a 'ready for prime time player' if you will at the NFL level. We certainly didn't draft him with starting him right away in mind. Fiore was projected to be the starter and the idea was to bring Dockery along slowly.

Since when are pancakes the ulimate grading tool for a lineman anyway?

10-19-2004, 09:35 PM	#47
sportscurmudgeon Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,159	Matty: Vegas was WONDERFUL! Thanx for asking. I returned home in sensory overload from watching all the NFL games and about 20-25 college football games and all the baseball games over the weekend and horse races from about 2 dozen tracks around the country. Oh, and did I mention that wagering was available on all of them? For the record, I took the Skins to win and got 1.5 points because by game time the Bears had become the favorite. I also took the game UNDER 34 points. That was easy. And I parlayed those two bets and collected on everything. In addition, I took a first half get that the total score at halftime would be UNDER 18. That game was very good to me!! I think Dockery could become something useful with the right coaching and the right usage. However, he is slow afoot and you cannot use him in a scheme that requires him to lead a runner downfield on a sweep He's not going to get there this season! My description of someone that slow is that he is likely to be rear-ended by a glacier! But he is big and he obviously worked hard in the offeason to get rid of a lot of the baby-fat he carried last year so that tells me he has the desire and the "coachability" to improve. So, I don't want the Skins to get rid of him, but I cannot allow someone to say that Dockery belongs on a list of players that a Super Bowl aspirant would trade for to "put them over the top". Hopefully for the Skins he'll develop into that kind of player, but for now, that's just absurd. Jerry Rice might be a good addition to the team as a role model for the young players regarding conditioning and regarding the "cerebral aspects" of the game. But Jerry Rice is not the pass receiver that he was even three years ago; he will not catch any 6 yard passes over the middle break one tqackle and run 65 yards to the end zone. Those days are behind him. I don't think the Skins have room to have a player like Rice who will demand to play - and complain if he doesn't - but whose skills are no longer what the team needs. For a memory of the recent past, let me say two words here: Bruce ... Smith !!! __________________ The Sports Curmudgeon www.sportscurmudgeon.com But don't get me wrong, I love sports...

10-20-2004, 12:21 PM	#49
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,518	I guess we'll just have to disagree on Dockery. I see a young player with great size and solid potential. Certainly not the kind of player I'd give up on after just 2 seasons or need to have a plan 'b' in place for. I don't think Bugel is just blowing smoke up his butt, he seems to genuinely like him as a player and he's always gushed when talking about him, he doesn't do the same for all the lineman. The left side of the line has been very solid this year and that's not all due to Samuels. He was a 3rd round pick and not some no-name lineman I agree, but most scouts agreed he wasn't ready to plug in right away in his rookie season. He got by in college on his size and raw skills, but he wasn't a 'ready for prime time player' if you will at the NFL level. We certainly didn't draft him with starting him right away in mind. Fiore was projected to be the starter and the idea was to bring Dockery along slowly. Since when are pancakes the ulimate grading tool for a lineman anyway?

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