The rooney rule is it fair< did the redskins follow the rules

[Kalisto2010]

Wait a minute. So all of you who're against the Rooney rule actually believe since the NFL's inception that Art Shell, Dennis Green, Herm Edwards, Jim Caldwell, Marvin Lewis, Mike Tomlin, Ray Rhodes, and Tony Dungy were the only Black coaches qualified to coach in the NFL? Of course the best man should get the job. However, the NFL has always been reluctant to allow Blacks to assume leadership roles. Denying that fact is being intellectually dishonest. We're talking about a league that tried to make Warren Moon a wide receiver when he arrived in the NFL, despite him winning 5 straight Grey Cups - this occurred not even 25 years ago. The Rooney rule doesn't stipulate that White coaches won't get interviewed, it stipulates that at least one Black guy will be interviewed. So out of the 3 or 4 candidates that get interviewed for a specific job, the owners are required to ensure that at least one of them are Black. Big friggin deal.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Kalisto2010

Wait a minute. So all of you who're against the Rooney rule actually believe since the NFL's inception that Art Shell, Dennis Green, Herm Edwards, Jim Caldwell, Marvin Lewis, Mike Tomlin, Ray Rhodes, and Tony Dungy were the only Black coaches qualified to coach in the NFL? Of course the best man should get the job. However, the NFL has always been reluctant to allow Blacks to assume leadership roles. Denying that fact is being intellectually dishonest. We're talking about a league that tried to make Warren Moon a wide receiver when he arrived in the NFL, despite him winning 5 straight Grey Cups - this occurred not even 25 years ago. The Rooney rule doesn't stipulate that White coaches won't get interviewed, it stipulates that at least one Black guy will be interviewed. So out of the 3 or 4 candidates that get interviewed for a specific job, the owners are required to ensure that at least one of them are Black. Big friggin deal.

You could also list all the white coaches and ask the same question and get the same answer. I would add that I think those coaches you listed would have made it to the top with or without the rodney rule.

The second thing I made bold. It would be fair to say that the NFL in the past was reluctant to allow Blacks to assume a leadership role. That could be said for just about any major corporation years back but in todays world that is just not reality and more. Last time I looked the most powerful man in the world was black.

[Kalisto2010]

Originally Posted by firstdown

You could also list all the white coaches and ask the same question and get the same answer.

I don't understand what you mean here?

The second thing I made bold. It would be fair to say that the NFL in the past was reluctant to allow Blacks to assume a leadership role. That could be said for just about any major corporation years back but in todays world that is just not reality and more. Last time I looked the most powerful man in the world was black.

I agree, institutional Racism no longer exists nor does it adversely affect our society. The SEC is a shinning example that proves that both Black and White coaches have an equal opportunity to coach any where they want. And the only reason there's only one Black coach in the six major bowl conferences - is because there's only been one Black guy qualified for the job. I'm positive institutional racism played no part.

[WaldSkins]

I could care less either way

[FRPLG]

Has the Rooney rule explicitly allowed a minority to obtain a job as a HC in the NFL? Very likely not. It'd be hard to identify a situation where it's even somewhat conceivable. What the Rooney Rule has done though is draw a line.

Through various management classes as so forth I have asked of my professors/lecturers/trainers, often and in a myriad of ways, how one goes about changing a culture within a business since systemic culture is so very often the cause of inefficiency and failure. Their answers usually boil down to "you have to crack it". Not blow it away but create a situation that forcefully propels an organization to reevaluate and do things differently. Something that actually starts the process of change in a perceptible way. That is what the Rooney Rule has started. It has drawn a line and creates a tiny crack. Teams are now forced to actually consider diversity in their coaching searches. That in it self is a very major step forward in remaking the culture. Progressing the issue from one of largely ignorable rhetoric and blather to something teams actually pay attention to. That is really very important. It may seem small but it is not at all.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Has the Rooney rule explicitly allowed a minority to obtain a job as a HC in the NFL? Very likely not. It'd be hard to identify a situation where it's even somewhat conceivable. What the Rooney Rule has done though is draw a line.

Through various management classes as so forth I have asked of my professors/lecturers/trainers, often and in a myriad of ways, how one goes about changing a culture within a business since systemic culture is so very often the cause of inefficiency and failure. Their answers usually boil down to "you have to crack it". Not blow it away but create a situation that forcefully propels an organization to reevaluate and do things differently. Something that actually starts the process of change in a perceptible way. That is what the Rooney Rule has started. It has drawn a line and creates a tiny crack. Teams are now forced to actually consider diversity in their coaching searches. That in it self is a very major step forward in remaking the culture. Progressing the issue from one of largely ignorable rhetoric and blather to something teams actually pay attention to. That is really very important. It may seem small but it is not at all.

Good post. Good perspective. Never thought of it in that light specifically.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Has the Rooney rule explicitly allowed a minority to obtain a job as a HC in the NFL? Very likely not. It'd be hard to identify a situation where it's even somewhat conceivable. What the Rooney Rule has done though is draw a line.

Through various management classes as so forth I have asked of my professors/lecturers/trainers, often and in a myriad of ways, how one goes about changing a culture within a business since systemic culture is so very often the cause of inefficiency and failure. Their answers usually boil down to "you have to crack it". Not blow it away but create a situation that forcefully propels an organization to reevaluate and do things differently. Something that actually starts the process of change in a perceptible way. That is what the Rooney Rule has started. It has drawn a line and creates a tiny crack. Teams are now forced to actually consider diversity in their coaching searches. That in it self is a very major step forward in remaking the culture. Progressing the issue from one of largely ignorable rhetoric and blather to something teams actually pay attention to. That is really very important. It may seem small but it is not at all.

Also agree with this, I'm definitely not saying it should have never existed.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Has the Rooney rule explicitly allowed a minority to obtain a job as a HC in the NFL? Very likely not. It'd be hard to identify a situation where it's even somewhat conceivable. What the Rooney Rule has done though is draw a line.

Through various management classes as so forth I have asked of my professors/lecturers/trainers, often and in a myriad of ways, how one goes about changing a culture within a business since systemic culture is so very often the cause of inefficiency and failure. Their answers usually boil down to "you have to crack it". Not blow it away but create a situation that forcefully propels an organization to reevaluate and do things differently. Something that actually starts the process of change in a perceptible way. That is what the Rooney Rule has started. It has drawn a line and creates a tiny crack. Teams are now forced to actually consider diversity in their coaching searches. That in it self is a very major step forward in remaking the culture. Progressing the issue from one of largely ignorable rhetoric and blather to something teams actually pay attention to. That is really very important. It may seem small but it is not at all.

Professors just people who fail at doing what they teach and say they know so much about.

[Kalisto2010]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Professors just people who fail at doing what they teach and say they know so much about.

Wow, so people who earn P.H.D's are considered failures in your opinion?

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Professors just people who fail at doing what they teach and say they know so much about.

Sometimes professors, including myself, fail to practice what they teach. I don't think that they do this more than anyone else, though, leaving me to resent your anti-intellectual depiction.

[GTripp0012]

Wrong thread edit.

[skinsfan69]

The bottom line is the owners have never really been around minorities and probably don't socialize with them. They didn't grow up with them. They're more comfortable with white people. In the end they're going to hire who they want to hire. If most of the owners were black you'd see a lot more black coaches. That's just how it is. I think it's a good rule cause Tomlin would've never got a job. It's the same thing in college and especially in the SEC. Why didn't Sly Croom get the Alabama job over Shula? He was better qualified but the Alabama alumni probably wouldn't be comfortable with a black man. Progress has been made but there is still a long way to go.

[CRedskinsRule]

I believe the owners voted the Rooney rule in so it's not the same as an outside government establishing it, it is just a self policing policy.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Any respect I had for Greg Blache just went out the window.

Source: Blache already has interviewed for Redskins job | ProFootballTalk.com

Source: Blache already has interviewed for Redskins job
Posted by Mike Florio on December 19, 2009 10:21 AM ET

Unless they conducted a search even faster than they recruited Albert Haynesworth, the Redskins interviewed multiple candidates for General Manager at a time when they already had someone doing the job.

So it should come as no surprise that they're already interviewing candidates for the position of head coach, despite the fact that they already have one.

Per a league source, the Redskins have interviewed defensive coordinator Greg Blache for the position currently held by his boss, Jim Zorn.

It's unknown when the interview specifically occurred.

By interviewing Blache, the Redskins have complied in advance with the Rooney Rule, which requires at least one minority candidate to be interviewed for every head-coaching vacancy.

We recently speculated, based on the manner in which the Vinny Cerrato-Bruce Allen flip-flop was handled by the team, that the Redskins already have complied with the Rooney Rule as it relates to the head-coaching position.

So, basically, the Redskins are free -- at any time -- to announce that Zorn is out, and to announce that Mike Shanahan (or anyone else, for that matter) is in.

As we pointed out last night, Shanahan definitely is in play for the job. Though it's not a done deal, he has been talking to the powers-that-be for weeks, if not months.

Cue the denials from Blache and/or the Redskins and/or Shanahan and/or Shanahan's minions in the media.

Maybe, if I'm really lucky, Mike Wise will call me a "cretin" again, too.

Its well-known that Blache has no desire to be a head coach. The only reason he'd "interview" for the position is so the Redskins could satisfy the letter of the Rooney Rule while taking a dump on the "spirit" of the rule. I wonder what they bribed him with to sell out his integrity.

[SmootSmack]

I'm not sure what to think of this Blache news, as I think it's true but not entirely accurate. Blache and the Redskins definitely talked earlier this year about the possibility of Blache taking over as interim coach midseason. One of them, can't remember if it was Blache or the Redskins (think it may have been Blache) decided that Blache taking over wasn't the best idea. I don't know if that counts toward the Rooney Rule though