The Parking Lot...where scooters should stay.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

Excessive acceleration is against traffic code in many areas.. not sure about where they're at. It could also be grouped into the category of "careless driving/operation of vehicle."

I've never really heard the you have the right to approach the speed limit as quickly as you'd like defense. Of course this is all assuming that they were still under the limit and that everyone else was just going painstakingly slowly following the previous incident.

Sorry, I just think we are going to have to disagree that his acceleration was "excessive". He passed a some trucks and a bus. Not clear evidence of excessive to me.

It's not that he has the right to approach the speed limit "as quickly as he would like to". It's that, from the video, other than passing a few trucks, nothing shows him accelerating in a reckless manner. He does have the absolute right to accelerate to speed without unexpected, unsignaled obstructions.

[over the mountain]

last clear chance to avoid an accident. if this driver was driving at or below the posted speed limit then he should have had enough time to brake safely.

there is also the issue of contributory neg if this was in MD.

also, considering the circumstances of why traffic was slowed or stopped, accelerating in that situation wasnt the smartest decision.

honestly to me it looked like the driver knew the scooter guy was coming over but didnt want to slow down, choosing to get up on his ass and try and close the window, then when the scooter guy braked, collision occurred.

i mean, who wants a freakin scooter changing lanes in front of you when you lane is clear for take off?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

last clear chance to avoid an accident. if this driver was driving at or below the posted speed limit then he should have had enough time to brake safely.

there is also the issue of contributory neg if this was in MD.

also, considering the circumstances of why traffic was slowed or stopped, accelerating in that situation wasnt the smartest decision.

honestly to me it looked like the driver knew the scooter guy was coming over but didnt want to slow down, choosing to get up on his ass and try and close the window, then when the scooter guy braked, collision occurred.

i mean, who wants a freakin scooter changing lanes in front of you when you lane is clear for take off?

Well said, good post

[MTK]

I think we need to toss the speed limit out the window, if he was driving too fast for the current conditions on the road, it doesn't matter if he was breaking the limit or not.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I think we need to toss the speed limit out the window, if he was driving too fast for the current conditions on the road, it doesn't matter if he was breaking the limit or not.

thanks! exactly what I was trying to say, though in not as effective words

I was nice enough to tailor my argument on the ASSUMPTION that the speed limit was being followed while something that is painfully obvious was ignored/shot down

[tryfuhl]

Going back it seems as if the vehicle did not brake as soon as he should have, hard to say not being in the incident though.

You've seriously got to be messing with me on the acceleration part. Was traffic defense part of your early lawyer days? Can you step outside of your thinking and even believe what you're saying?

[Schneed10]

It was me. I was just trying to stop the guy from speeding but my scooter's bark is bigger than its bite.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by schneed10

it was me. I was just trying to stop the guy from speeding but my scooter's bark is bigger than its bite.

lol!

[JoeRedskin]

I guess I disagree. Quite frankly, a jury in baltimore city would probably agree with you. As I had a case similar to this in Talbot County, I would say a Maryland Eastern Shore judge would disagree with you - he found no contrib by the driver of Car B when Car A cut him off, even though two witnesses said Car B was driver faster than the speed limit.

I would love to see the actual stopping distance of the driver in this case 'cause it just doesn't appear that he took all that long to stop to me.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

I guess I disagree. Quite frankly, a jury in baltimore city would probably agree with you. As I had a case similar to this in Talbot County, I would say a Maryland Eastern Shore judge would disagree with you - he found no contrib by the driver of Car B when Car A cut him off, even though two witnesses said Car B was driver faster than the speed limit.

I would love to see the actual stopping distance of the driver in this case 'cause it just doesn't appear that he took all that long to stop to me.

nope.. but let's say that he has a "performance" vehicle.. could be a better braking system than your typical ford taurus

was there video of your case?

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

nope.. but let's say that he has a "performance" vehicle.. could be a better braking system than your typical ford taurus

was there video of your case?

No video. Doesn't matter if he has a "high performance vehicle".
Can he bring his vehilce to a full stop in two seconds or less? Isn't that the required following time? When presented with an obstacle that gives him less than two seconds to stop, the obstacle presenting driver is at fault.

[Schneed10]

But on the serious, who tapes the road in front of them, other than cops?

Is this a normal practice? If so, I've never heard of it. I gotta believe there's a good chance the taping car was a police vehicle.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

But on the serious, who tapes the road in front of them, other than cops?

Is this a normal practice? If so, I've never heard of it. I gotta believe there's a good chance the taping car was a police vehicle.

nope.. just people like this



the vids can be fun to watch but it's a very dangerous practice

[saden1]

Lucky to be alive indeed. As a motorcycles you have to do everything by the book unless you have a death wish and that guy didn't a) have enough space between him and the car in front of him, b) turn is his signal light on and c) look properly to insure there was no car on the lane he was merging to (he half-assed looked has he was merging mainly because his dumb ass didn't have enough space between him and the car in front of him). Looks to me like it's the motorcycle guy fault.

Ride or Die!

[firstdown]

I give the flip flop flying off his foot a 9.8.