Smoot Lays The Smack Down-Redskins vs. Ravens (Preseason Special)

[Monkeydad]

^ Except that he wants to count a "what if" INT for McNabb but not his "what if" TD dropped by Fred Davis...or the other 5 or so drops by other receivers. If we're going to play that game, "McNabb should've been 20-26 with 270 yards, 1 TD and 2 INTs in 2 quarters".

You can't pretend that negatives almost happened and ignore positives that almost happened at the same time.

In the end, none of it happened and McNabb's 206 yards and 1 INT in two quarters looked pretty solid to me. Armstrong played most of the game...against 1st-teamers and scrubs later on. His big 45yd catch was against the Ravens' starting D from McNabb. He had one late catch that put him on the top of the box score over Moss.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Buster

^ Except that he wants to count a "what if" INT for McNabb but not his "what if" TD dropped by Fred Davis...or the other 5 or so drops by other receivers. If we're going to play that game, "McNabb should've been 20-26 with 270 yards, 1 TD and 2 INTs in 2 quarters".

You can't pretend that negatives almost happened and ignore positives that almost happened at the same time.

In the end, none of it happened and McNabb's 206 yards and 1 INT in two quarters looked pretty solid to me. Armstrong played most of the game...against 1st-teamers and scrubs later on. His big 45yd catch was against the Ravens' starting D from McNabb. He had one late catch that put him on the top of the box score over Moss.

Way too up and down. He threw behind guys, over guys and underthrew Armstrong for a TD. But he also made some very nice plays and had several drops. He can play better but it's pre season. Not too worried about D Mac.

[skinsnut]

Originally Posted by Buster

Armstrong played most of the game...against 1st-teamers and scrubs later on. His big 45yd catch was against the Ravens' starting D from McNabb.

If that is the case...this guy has a legit shot to jump to the #2 or #3 receiver. Keep in mind the Ravens' secondary is a bit weak....but that is a really good sign for Armstrong.

I dont understand why we have Joey Galloway still in that #2 spot.
Our long term starters need serious reps in during the critical preseason game 3.

Why not Moss, Armstrong, Thomas as 1,2,3?
They need to get timing down ....and quick

[davy]

Everyone wants to blame Grossman for the INT but from my point of view it was more Keiland Williams' fault. He started to come back towards Grossman but then stopped just as the ball was thrown making it easy for the CB to get in front of him.

I saw very little difference in Grossman from week 1 to week 2. Week 1 he got lucky, week 2 he didn't.

[skinsnut]

Originally Posted by davy

Everyone wants to blame Grossman for the INT but from my point of view it was more Keiland Williams' fault. He started to come back towards Grossman but then stopped just as the ball was thrown making it easy for the CB to get in front of him.

I saw very little difference in Grossman from week 1 to week 2. Week 1 he got lucky, week 2 he didn't.

I noticed that too....the offensive player must out fight for that ball true...but the reality is...it was a stupid pass to make...high risk, very low reward....it was not 4th and goal...and the ball wasn't in the endzone...it was a pass that cost the team guaranteed pts.
(I know the 3 points didn't mean much at the time...but you dont leave points on the field)

I do agree that not winning the battle from the ball hurt Williams' chances a bit...you gotta win those.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Buster

^ Except that he wants to count a "what if" INT for McNabb but not his "what if" TD dropped by Fred Davis...or the other 5 or so drops by other receivers. If we're going to play that game, "McNabb should've been 20-26 with 270 yards, 1 TD and 2 INTs in 2 quarters".

You can't pretend that negatives almost happened and ignore positives that almost happened at the same time.

In the end, none of it happened and McNabb's 206 yards and 1 INT in two quarters looked pretty solid to me. Armstrong played most of the game...against 1st-teamers and scrubs later on. His big 45yd catch was against the Ravens' starting D from McNabb. He had one late catch that put him on the top of the box score over Moss.

Need to see that completion % improve though. 11/26/42.3% will be unacceptable in real time.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Buster

^ Except that he wants to count a "what if" INT for McNabb but not his "what if" TD dropped by Fred Davis...or the other 5 or so drops by other receivers. If we're going to play that game, "McNabb should've been 20-26 with 270 yards, 1 TD and 2 INTs in 2 quarters".

You can't pretend that negatives almost happened and ignore positives that almost happened at the same time.

In the end, none of it happened and McNabb's 206 yards and 1 INT in two quarters looked pretty solid to me. Armstrong played most of the game...against 1st-teamers and scrubs later on. His big 45yd catch was against the Ravens' starting D from McNabb. He had one late catch that put him on the top of the box score over Moss.

I did count the catches that were clear drops, including the Davis TD. I saw 6 "drops". Cooley had one that was a clear drop I added, Davis' I added, I didn't count the Moss one in traffic, that should've been caught, but was tough. I can't remember the others off the top of my head, I had them written down. I believe McNabb's actual stat line was 11-26 206 INT.

McNabb isn't a concern right now. He's learning new receivers and a new offense. Him being a bit behind on a few passes is not a great concern and it's probably the split second of hesitation with the new O and WRs that's the cause. McNabb hasn't been the most accurate guy in the league throughout his career, but his experience, strength, and athleticism make up for his accuracy issues. He'll make plays that many other QBs can't and he presents problems for the opposing D on the edge that most other QBs don't. As I've said before, the O will be a work in progress the first few weeks, but by mid-season should be clicking.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by davy

Everyone wants to blame Grossman for the INT but from my point of view it was more Keiland Williams' fault. He started to come back towards Grossman but then stopped just as the ball was thrown making it easy for the CB to get in front of him.

I saw very little difference in Grossman from week 1 to week 2. Week 1 he got lucky, week 2 he didn't.

True - His stats didn't look bad aside from the TOs...was sacked 3 times also but was 67% passing.

Still a typical feast or famine-type Rex performance.

[Longtimefan]

There were a couple of fumbles mixed in there as well. You've got to protect the football.

[GTripp0012]

Yeah, I have concerns about how age might affect McNabb's superior physical tools (such as an underthrown gimme deep ball), but (speaking as someone who has yet to see Saturday's preseason game) I don't see any reason to go into freak out mode on McNabb because he completed 40% vs. the Ravens. He struggled with them last time too -- and certainly, he didn't have any meaningful long term effects from a bad game.

From reading the game write-ups, it sounds like the defense was solid, but got tricked on a fake punt and got a critical turnover taken away from them. Other than that, we had a game where neither offense (Ravens or Redskins) performed very well.

No team has ever been able to run on the Ravens D, so our rushing performance in the first half cannot be surprising.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Yeah, I have concerns about how age might affect McNabb's superior physical tools (such as an underthrown gimme deep ball), but (speaking as someone who has yet to see Saturday's preseason game) I don't see any reason to go into freak out mode on McNabb because he completed 40% vs. the Ravens. He struggled with them last time too -- and certainly, he didn't have any meaningful long term effects from a bad game.

From reading the game write-ups, it sounds like the defense was solid, but got tricked on a fake punt and got a critical turnover taken away from them. Other than that, we had a game where neither offense (Ravens or Redskins) performed very well.

No team has ever been able to run on the Ravens D, so our rushing performance in the first half cannot be surprising.

This. Last week the talking heads were saying how great Mt Cody was, and what a beast the Raven's line is now. So even tho we may not have ran well, the fact that we held them in check, or at least controlled the flow, I consider that a plus...

[Lotus]

Rich Bartel would have thrown for seven touchdowns. The only problem with our offense is that he is on the bench. Start Bartel now!

[GusFrerotte]

Wow Lotus, you really are high on Bartel aren't you?

[Dirtbag59]

Easy on the downtrodden Rex talk. For God's sake it's the guys birthday.

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

This. Last week the talking heads were saying how great Mt Cody was, and what a beast the Raven's line is now. So even tho we may not have ran well, the fact that we held them in check, or at least controlled the flow, I consider that a plus...

Crap, how is anyone going to be able to run on that defense? With a healthy Ngata, Cody, and Ray Lewis it seems damn near impossible.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Wow Lotus, you really are high on Bartel aren't you?

It's possible that I'm just trying to stir the pot on an unlikely quarterback controversy, but I would never admit it if I were.