time to play GM

[rbanerjee23]

The OPs list is a little too optimistic, if we achieve 15% of that then it will have been a pretty good offseason. OL isn't going to get turned around in a year, it's gonna take a few years. I don't see us letting go of Moss because he's a decent player, just hasn't had a QB to throw to him.

I think next year should just be an F' it year. Draft a QB, restock the OL and just let them go out and get game experience.

[jdlea]

I honestly believe this roster is VERY poorly constructed. Honestly, I think there are a lot of things that need to be done...tons of areas to be addressed.

First of all, I'm releasing people who symbolize what the Redskins have been for the last decade: mercenaries. I think that probably includes: Haynesworth, Moss, Portis, Hall, and probably Jamaal Brown. At this point, they're not playing up to their contracts (although, I've always really liked DeAngelo Hall) and they represent a bad strategy for constructing a football team.

In addition to cuts: I'm letting Rogers walk and if Buchanon's contract is up, I don't know that I'd try TOO hard to bring him back. This category is actually probably a better fit for Jamaal Brown than the previous one as I believe his contract is up. I wouldn't break the bank to bring him back and I wouldn't kill myself trying to get him signed early either. If he wants to come back at a low salary, commensurate with his disappointing play, I'd bring him back, otherwise, good luck trying to find somewhere that hates their QB enough to let you play LT.

Beyond that, I'm looking at underachievers/poor players. There a few guys in that category for me: Lichtensteiger, Rabach, Moore, Doughty, McIntosh, Carter, Kemo, and Hicks. Now, I'm not saying get rid of all these guys, but they'd, at the very least, end up in training camp battles. Really, I think Rabach fits into my "mercenary" category and should probably be cut, but beyond that, I have a hard time getting rid of the other guys on the list as I believe they're all, at least, hard workers who could provide good depth.

The problem with having this many players to replace is the lack of draft picks this team possesses. However, we should remember that while Capers and Wood have shown nothing, they are part of the organization. Maybe one can be a starter at some point next year the other could provide some depth. I actually liked what I saw from Heyer at guard and think this idea should be given more thought, I've always thought he didn't have the quickness/feet for the tackle position, but I think he could probably stick at guard. Hopefully Capers could make that a viable option (I doubt this would be the case, but I'd love to find out).

At the end of the day, this team is pretty bad. The roster has a lot of mediocre players who make tons of money and make it seem like they're ready to compete. I think we're finding out that, right now, this team is not ready to compete. I think the whole thing needs to be blown up and a full scale rebuild needs to take place. Forget about the next 2 or so years and rebuild the team.

If Mike Shanahan doesn't have the stomach for that, I don't know that I care, but it has to happen. If he says, "I didn't sign up for this" and wants to quit, I think I'd let him. I'd hire a young, hungry coach and give him the reins for a few years. I draft a QB in the mid rounds and let him learn under Donovan for a few seasons and then turn it over to him unless I'm floored by a first rounder either this year or next.

At this point, this team has to realize that, as they're currently constructed, adding pieces isn't going to win anything. They have to blow this roster up and start over. They're a terrible team right now and thinking that Santana is a 1 or that Portis is a starter or they're OL help away is asinine and the exact same thing we've gone through for the last decade or so. Yeah, they made the playoffs from time to time, but I think that just made them think they were better than they are. They kept aging stars to their own detriment and now they're stuck with a roster of overpaid, overrated losers who are never going to win a SB.

It's time to change everything at Redskins Park and it needs to start with hitting the Reset Button.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by jdlea

I honestly believe this roster is VERY poorly constructed. Honestly, I think there are a lot of things that need to be done...tons of areas to be addressed.

First of all, I'm releasing people who symbolize what the Redskins have been for the last decade: mercenaries. I think that probably includes: Haynesworth, Moss, Portis, Hall, and probably Jamaal Brown. At this point, they're not playing up to their contracts (although, I've always really liked DeAngelo Hall) and they represent a bad strategy for constructing a football team.

In addition to cuts: I'm letting Rogers walk and if Buchanon's contract is up, I don't know that I'd try TOO hard to bring him back. This category is actually probably a better fit for Jamaal Brown than the previous one as I believe his contract is up. I wouldn't break the bank to bring him back and I wouldn't kill myself trying to get him signed early either. If he wants to come back at a low salary, commensurate with his disappointing play, I'd bring him back, otherwise, good luck trying to find somewhere that hates their QB enough to let you play LT.

Beyond that, I'm looking at underachievers/poor players. There a few guys in that category for me: Lichtensteiger, Rabach, Moore, Doughty, McIntosh, Carter, Kemo, and Hicks. Now, I'm not saying get rid of all these guys, but they'd, at the very least, end up in training camp battles. Really, I think Rabach fits into my "mercenary" category and should probably be cut, but beyond that, I have a hard time getting rid of the other guys on the list as I believe they're all, at least, hard workers who could provide good depth.

The problem with having this many players to replace is the lack of draft picks this team possesses. However, we should remember that while Capers and Wood have shown nothing, they are part of the organization. Maybe one can be a starter at some point next year the other could provide some depth. I actually liked what I saw from Heyer at guard and think this idea should be given more thought, I've always thought he didn't have the quickness/feet for the tackle position, but I think he could probably stick at guard. Hopefully Capers could make that a viable option (I doubt this would be the case, but I'd love to find out).

At the end of the day, this team is pretty bad. The roster has a lot of mediocre players who make tons of money and make it seem like they're ready to compete. I think we're finding out that, right now, this team is not ready to compete. I think the whole thing needs to be blown up and a full scale rebuild needs to take place. Forget about the next 2 or so years and rebuild the team.

If Mike Shanahan doesn't have the stomach for that, I don't know that I care, but it has to happen. If he says, "I didn't sign up for this" and wants to quit, I think I'd let him. I'd hire a young, hungry coach and give him the reins for a few years. I draft a QB in the mid rounds and let him learn under Donovan for a few seasons and then turn it over to him unless I'm floored by a first rounder either this year or next.

At this point, this team has to realize that, as they're currently constructed, adding pieces isn't going to win anything. They have to blow this roster up and start over. They're a terrible team right now and thinking that Santana is a 1 or that Portis is a starter or they're OL help away is asinine and the exact same thing we've gone through for the last decade or so. Yeah, they made the playoffs from time to time, but I think that just made them think they were better than they are. They kept aging stars to their own detriment and now they're stuck with a roster of overpaid, overrated losers who are never going to win a SB.

It's time to change everything at Redskins Park and it needs to start with hitting the Reset Button.

I'm with you on everything but the bolded statement. First of all, Shanny isn't going to jump ship. He isn't going to bail out on that contract, and for better or worse, he has more power now than he might ever have again.

And I would care if he left. This organization needs the proven leadership and experience that he offers. We've tried the "young, hungry" coaching route already. Turning this situation over to a rookie HC would ultimately set us back even further.

Everything else though, you're dead on. Especially the players that we've hung on to because of their supposed "locker room leadership". What gets proven year in and year out is that they're simply average players that won't get us to the upper echelon no matter who is coaching, and it's time to cut the ties from just about every player of the Joe Gibbs 2.0 era.

[tc2deuce]

I say we draft the best available and then figure out who to sign in FA.
But it does not work in that order so let Bruce do his research.
So if Nick Fairley,DT looks to be a sure pick then sign V-Jax.
Our BIG NEEDS are
Guard- Mankins
Center-Kalil
WR- Jones/Blackmon or sign V-Jax
DT -Fairley or sign Seymour
OLB -Draft in the 2nd round
SS -Draft
CB- FA
RB ATV and ? RB are a dime of dozen
K -OK STATE KICKER

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I'm with you on everything but the bolded statement. First of all, Shanny isn't going to jump ship. He isn't going to bail out on that contract, and for better or worse, he has more power now than he might ever have again.

And I would care if he left. This organization needs the proven leadership and experience that he offers. We've tried the "young, hungry" coaching route already. Turning this situation over to a rookie HC would ultimately set us back even further.

Everything else though, you're dead on. Especially the players that we've hung on to because of their supposed "locker room leadership". What gets proven year in and year out is that they're simply average players that won't get us to the upper echelon no matter who is coaching, and it's time to cut the ties from just about every player of the Joe Gibbs 2.0 era.

I think you make fair points. I'd also say that I agree that Shanahan wouldn't walk away, I'm just saying that if that were to happen, I wouldn't have a problem with him leaving because it wouldn't be in the best interest of the franchise to continue to prop this team up with another veteran or two who may get them to 9 or 10 wins for a year or two. I believe Shanahan came here to rebuild and change the culture, so I don't think he'd walk away.

Also, I agree with you on caring if he left. I'd be hugely disappointed if he left because I think he's someone who could do a good job directing a rebuild, but if rebuilding were a deal breaker for him, I'd tell him that we have to go in another direction and not let him convince me that we're close.

As for missing on the hungry, rookie head coach, I don't know that Zorn should count. For me, I didn't think he was a viable head coaching candidate when he got the job. Then, I was fooled by the 6-2 start, but, ultimately, he proved me right. The guy wasn't cut out to be, or maybe he just wasn't ready to be, a head coach in the NFL.

I will say that I'm probably guilty of "Tomlin Envy" because he's my favorite head coach in the league right now and I'd love to have a young coach who I knew could be around for more than 5 years. Basically, I want the Redskins to find their own version of a Mike Tomlin. (This will be funny if they become horrible and someone digs this up in a few years...lol)

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by jdlea

I think you make fair points. I'd also say that I agree that Shanahan wouldn't walk away, I'm just saying that if that were to happen, I wouldn't have a problem with him leaving because it wouldn't be in the best interest of the franchise to continue to prop this team up with another veteran or two who may get them to 9 or 10 wins for a year or two. I believe Shanahan came here to rebuild and change the culture, so I don't think he'd walk away.

Also, I agree with you on caring if he left. I'd be hugely disappointed if he left because I think he's someone who could do a good job directing a rebuild, but if rebuilding were a deal breaker for him, I'd tell him that we have to go in another direction and not let him convince me that we're close.

As for missing on the hungry, rookie head coach, I don't know that Zorn should count. For me, I didn't think he was a viable head coaching candidate when he got the job. Then, I was fooled by the 6-2 start, but, ultimately, he proved me right. The guy wasn't cut out to be, or maybe he just wasn't ready to be, a head coach in the NFL.

I will say that I'm probably guilty of "Tomlin Envy" because he's my favorite head coach in the league right now and I'd love to have a young coach who I knew could be around for more than 5 years. Basically, I want the Redskins to find their own version of a Mike Tomlin. (This will be funny if they become horrible and someone digs this up in a few years...lol)

I know what you mean. I'm looking at teams like Atlanta (Mike Smith), the Bucs (Raheem Morris), -- organizations that have completely turned it around in a short time span and did so with head coaches who were formerly assistants. Of course it didn't work with us.

It all has to do with that 'negative energy field' that has surrounded this team since, oh, summer of 1999.

[Chico23231]

If i were GM I would tell Danny Boy and Shanny Boy no more trading draft picks for players ever again.

[30gut]

FA targets: focus 3-4 NT and DE and OL
NT Paul Soliai
OG Logan Mankins

Draft:
Derek Sherrod OT
Nate Solder OT

Top Center Prospects
1. Stefen Wisiniewski, rd. 2

Top Nose Tackle Prospects
3. Kendrick Ellis, rd. 3-4
4. Phil Taylor, rd. 3-5
5. Ian Williams, rd. 3-5
6. Anthony Gray, rd. 5-7

Top 3-4 OLB Prospects
8. Dontay Moch, rd.3-5
9. Jack Crawford, rd.3-5
10. Adrian Robinson, rd. 4-6

Top 3-4 DE
9. Jarvis Jenkins, rd. 3-5
10. Cedric Thornton, rd. 4-6

Flier on a QB
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Re-sign Carlos Rogers
Sad good-bye to Rocky McIntosh
Only re-sign Jamaal Brown if we can't draft or sign an improvement at RT like Jared Gaither

[30gut]

QB:McNabb+John Beck+late round flier on a QB
RB:Torrain, Keiland Williams, James Davis
FB: Young
WR:Moss, Armstrong, Kelly, Austin, Banks
TE: Cooley, Davis, Paulsen
LT: Trent Williams
LG: Free Agent : Logan Mankins
C: ROOKIE : Stefen Wiesnewski (spl?)
RG: Will Montgomery/Lichtensteiger
RT: ROOKIE erek Sherod/ Nate Solder

NT: FREE AGENT Paul Soliai + ROOKIE NT 5th round
RDE: Jarmon/Golston
LDE: Carricker
ILBs: Fletcher, Riley/Blades/Henson
ROLB: Orkapo
LOLB: Alexander/Wilson
CB: Hall, Rogers, Barnes
S: Landry, Moore, Doughty, Horton

[SmootSmack]

Putting the off the field stuff aside, Champ wants out of Denver and wants to be on a SB contender, which we aren't.

I know the Skins are working hard and apparently close to locking up Los (and not as close, but coming close to an agreement with Brown.) Not sure about Buchanon and Barnes, my guess is they let Buchanon test the market and Barnes gets another summer to prove he belongs.

I'd seriously consider trading Hall (though I think the hate for him by some fans is too strong) and draft Prince Amukamara. Really doubt we'd trade Hall though.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Putting the off the field stuff aside, Champ wants out of Denver and wants to be on a SB contender, which we aren't.

I know the Skins are working hard and apparently close to locking up Los (and not as close, but coming close to an agreement with Brown.) Not sure about Buchanon and Barnes, my guess is they let Buchanon test the market and Barnes gets another summer to prove he belongs.

I'd seriously consider trading Hall (though I think the hate for him by some fans is too strong) and draft Prince Amukamara. Really doubt we'd trade Hall though.

Cool that a deal for Los is in the works. I know we're not close to being a contender but Champ may need a paycheck & this might be the best fit for him. Just saying that the past ties to Shan might weigh in his decision.

Cool about a deal for Brown, so long as they feel he will be healthy next year & beyond. I could see him having a great 2011.

[skinsfaninok]

Sign Los? Why? I'm ready for him to be gone

[celts32]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Sign Los? Why? I'm ready for him to be gone

Sign him becasue he can play and he's still in his prime. I am as frustrated by his butter fingers as anyone, but if we let him go then we need to either overpay a free agent or use a draft pick that we need for other needs to replace him. Good CB's don't hit the free agent market often and are not easy to find. And with all his faults he's still the best cover corner we have.

[SmootSmack]

Dolphins need a QB

[Player_HTTR]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Dolphins need a QB

And the Bungles.