All About the Offensive Line

[budw38]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

So pretty much shutting down demarcus ware every meeting isn't good? How can u guys say he's bad? I don't get it, is it the weed that people fall back on with Trent? He's a top 10 left tackle in the NFL folks period

As for JPP? Who doesn't have trouble with him?

I also remember Williams having a bad ankle/ knee inj early in the season not to mention we lost our LG and TE early . I still hope we draft 2 linemen this month .....

[imaskin4life]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

So pretty much shutting down demarcus ware every meeting isn't good? How can u guys say he's bad? I don't get it, is it the weed that people fall back on with Trent? He's a top 10 left tackle in the NFL folks period

As for JPP? Who doesn't have trouble with him?

My post was not intended to bash Trent Williams. He is not a bad tackle. I think he did about as good as a 22/23 year old tackle can do with his assignments. He is definitely our best offensive lineman and I anticipate him being better this year since he is a year older -- he should be wiser and significantly stronger. I definitely like his passion.

All I was saying was that with that #4 overall pick in 2010 I personally would have selected Eric Berry at Safety over Trent Williams at Tackle. Eric Berry is better at his position than Trent Williams is at his position.

My original point was that our priority should be on the OL, regardless of the fact that we are weaker in the secondary right now, because we are bringing in a franchise rookie QB. Up to now, I have not been at peace with selecting Williams over Berry but now that RG3 is coming, I can begin to heal after watching us pass on Eric Berry to bring in Williams because Williams' role is even MORE important than before.

If, however, a rookie franchise qb was not on his way here then I would still be struggling with our decision to take Williams over Berry.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by imaskin4life

My post was not intended to bash Trent Williams. He is not a bad tackle. I think he did about as good as a 22/23 year old tackle can do with his assignments. He is definitely our best offensive lineman and I anticipate him being better this year since he is a year older -- he should be wiser and significantly stronger. I definitely like his passion.

All I was saying was that with that #4 overall pick in 2010 I personally would have selected Eric Berry at Safety over Trent Williams at Tackle. Eric Berry is better at his position than Trent Williams is at his position.

My original point was that our priority should be on the OL, regardless of the fact that we are weaker in the secondary right now, because we are bringing in a franchise rookie QB. Up to now, I have not been at peace with selecting Williams over Berry but now that RG3 is coming, I can begin to heal after watching us pass on Eric Berry to bring in Williams because Williams' role is even MORE important than before.

If, however, a rookie franchise qb was not on his way here then I would still be struggling with our decision to take Williams over Berry.

I gotcha lol I was js the guy isn't bad like some say he is

[ethat001]

Personally so GLAD we didn't get Berry. Sure, he's a talent but -- we've had top-tier safeties for a while, would NOT want us to draft 3 safeties in the top 10 within 8 years. I'll give TW some more time before judgement. Just stepped into the zoneblocking scheme, and only had one full season in it. Holding his own with elite pass rushers, still early in his career.

But TW was DEFINITELY worth the pick -- here's why: the way I look at it, you can draft any position anywhere in the draft, but you are MUCH more likely to need to be drafting top 10 when you're looking for specific positions: QB, LT, and DE/pass rushing LB, DT and corner/WR. These elite positions also are hard to fill with elite talent in FA, because most ppl don't give up a franchise talent at these positions. The great news is we have most of the above key positions filled with young and good players (except an elite NT and shut-down corner - hopefully we get something next year or in FA).

My point is -- if our dreams come true and RG3 consistently gets us a winning record, in 1-2 years we'll be drafting 10-20+ and won't be able pick in the top 10 for the next 10-15 years. It's a great thing to have the top positions above locked down with talent as we proceed, and LT and QB are arguably the two most important ones. You can usually find top level WR's in FA, second level LB/NT/corners/RB/etc in FA. In the draft, O-line positions can be found in later rounds (esp in zone blocking schemes).

Anyway, I think we were lucky to get a good (if not elite) LT when we needed one, and it could help our franchise for the next decade. (only if marijuana is legalized, of course...)

[Gary84Clark]

Silverblunt to the rescue!!!

[VegasSkinsFan]

Maybe it's me, but I could care less about the secondary this year. We most likely are not going to the playoffs. I just want to score points so I have something to at least feel good about and justify my Sunday ticket purchase.

And I know this post says a lot about the state of the franchise, but we have a good pass rush, we may be putting in a good offense. Isnt that about all the giants have had with thier two Super Bowl wins?

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by ethat001

I just want our cap money back -- and then they should allow us to make an offer to any FA RT who was signed already this year. Would never happen but would repair the wrongs..

Regardless - I agree our O-line is not as bad as we keep saying. It was a strength through the first couple of games last year.
However,
1) Injuries to key line positions WILL happen again. They happen EVERY year.
2) J.Brown is using yoga for therapy. Seriously? Yoga?
3) Our division has some of the best pass rushers in the NFL, hard to play with a rookie QB on his back the whole game. I saw RG3's college games, and he didn't do much magical when the pass rush was getting to him. Brady didn't do much when he kept getting sacked by the NY Giants. Both games.
4) TW and FD are still one puff away from killing our season.


I say bring M. Williams back from obesity, run him on a treadmill to lose 150lbs and start for us in September. It worked for Zorn and Cerrato...

Yoga is one of the better forms of stretching. For a guy who needs to get low, be flexible, and control his body it is a great method regardless of therapy. The stretching helps break up the scar tissue in his hip (the center of your body) which reduces tightness and pain. I have to do stretches with my right knee to keep the scar tissue from hardening too much. Ever seen somebody with cauliflower ears from wrestling, martial arts, etc? Imagine that in the middle of bone and ligaments. Just hard tissue... yeah not fun.

More teams should incorporate yoga and Pilates.. you won't get every athlete behind it but it helps. So many of these guys have raw talent and have relied on that.. which is one reason behind injuries.. they haven't prepared their bodies to take that kind of punishment and likely not taken proper steps to recover from it. Think about a corner who can't flip his hips well but is blazing fast.. teach him better hip control and flexion and you'll get a better corner.

It amazes me that training programs in the NFL aren't close to what they are in some other sports. Hell I'd say most bodybuilders have better methods of preparation and recovery.

[Monkeydad]

I did some yoga on my wife's Wii Fit last night and it's not easy...and works well. It doesn't look like you're doing anything strenuous but it requires a lot of balance and very strong legs to hold some of those positions...it was tough and I lifts weights almost daily.

My back was stiff from carrying my fat baby daughter around for a few hours so I wanted to stretch it out. It worked for my back, then my legs were sore! It tightened up my abs nicely too.

[MTK]

Yoga works all sorts of muscles you didn't even know you had. It increases flexibility, balance, and strength. It's no joke, an hour of yoga will kick your butt no matter how good of shape you're in.

[Monkeydad]

Yep, my legs were very shaky on those one-legged poses. My legs are strong but I must have weak ankles or something.

Every time I try my wife's workouts, I gain more respect for her. Yoga, Pilates, Jillian Michaels' DVDs (woman is a buttkicker).

Of course, she can't spot for me on the bench either, like you said...different muscle groups being used.

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by VegasSkinsFan

Maybe it's me, but I could care less about the secondary this year. We most likely are not going to the playoffs. I just want to score points so I have something to at least feel good about and justify my Sunday ticket purchase.

With the addition of Raheem Morris, I'm expecting much out of the secondary in 2012. They were the weak link on defense last year. The Redskins finished 13th in total defense in the league and would have slipped into the top ten had it not been for the below average play of the safeties and corners. I expect that unit to be much improved once the season starts. As of week 15 against the 2nd game against the Giants, the Redskins were ranked 10th in defense at that period of the season.

Have faith, man. The only reason why the Redskins weren't in the playoffs last year was because of Mike Shanahan's brainless decision to go with Rex Grossman and John Beck at quarterback. Had the Redskins had an above average or average QB last year, we would have won more games. 5-11 with Grossman and Beck equals 9-7 or 10-6 and an NFC East championship and playoff birth if the Redskins had a better QB last year.

[Monkeydad]

We had a chance to draft a QB at our position in the draft last season. We could have had Blaine Gabbert or Christian Ponder.

Looks like the "brainless decision to go with Grossman and Beck" was actually the right decision. We're getting Griffin. Last year's suffering was worth it.

[RedskinRat]

Yoga?

Pilates, that's where they should be at.

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

We had a chance to draft a QB at our position in the draft last season. We could have had Blaine Gabbert or Christian Ponder.

Looks like the "brainless decision to go with Grossman and Beck" was actually the right decision. We're getting Griffin. Last year's suffering was worth it.

No thanks on Ponder and Gabbert. Some people think that Mike Shanahan was hoping for a losing season in order to get a top QB in the 2012 draft by going with Grossman and Beck. I would have personally liked to have seen GM Bruce Allen push for signing a veteran like Matt Hassleback. But Shanahan wanted Grossman and Beck. As a result, we'll be getting Griffin III or Luck 15 days from now.