Lost Some Faith In Shanahan

[ashvirtually]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

The biggest reason for the season turnaround and march into the playoffs was Mike Shanahan. Should he pulled him, yes, but im not gonna fault him based on what RG3 said. It wasnt malicious.

Agreed on this 110% percent.

[CultBrennan59]

Look, we're all upset with the whole Griffin-Shanahan kneegate fiasco.

But MS is a proven coach. MS has won super bowls and knows what it takes. MS whether he meant to do it or not, got this team from being a joke to being a playoff team. Yes, he is arrogant, yes 1 out of every 4 of his decisions will backfire on him, but he is getting us on the right track.

It sucks we have to learn this the hard way with knee injuries and who should be told what to and not to do, but now we know for the future.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by milellie111

Excuse me for being a realist and not a homer. Maybe you're referring the thread i started about predictions on the Pittsburg Steelers game and i just made some objective observations? Call it negative in tone about the team or whatever, i was just stating how i saw things realistically. Did you predict this team to go 10-6 in the beginning of the season? I highly doubt it just like everyone else. So if you would have predicted 8-8, you should have been looked at as a pessimist? So why do i get tarred and feathered (mostly by you on this board) for stating my opinion?

Stupid to say he doesn't care about people? Perhaps you know Shanahan personally and have family dinners at his house. All I'm just going by is his track record and first hand accounts of what happened in Denver of him putting a players health aside to win a game. Oh yeah, and what i witnessed on the 2nd row behind the Redskins bench this past Sunday.

Dude your the reason RG3 was injuried! I heard Danny Boy call down to Shanny and say "our dream seat experience is not meeting Millie Vanillie's expectations, keep RG3 in to win this game." So while you were drowning in bordem, lack of comfort and shitty hotdogs RG3 is literrally fighting his guts out trying to win the game for u! Selfish bitch and does Danny know you only paid $285 a piece for them?

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

There's plenty of blame to go around. Coaches, doctors, RG3 himself.

People want this to be black & white and it's clearly not.

And frankly the witch hunt/blame game doesn't solve anything.

Bingo.

I'll be curious to see how many people in this forum got on Cutler's case when he was taken out of a game last year b/c he was hurt. I can't remember exactly, but I think it may have been a playoffs game or something late in the season.

[ashvirtually]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I would have taken him out too but now that we've had some time to reflect I think the criticism Shanahan is taking is a little unwarranted.

We don't know all the facts as far as what was going on down on the sidelines or what info he had, or didn't have.

RG3 isn't the first guy in sports history to play hurt. Plenty of guys have been lauded for their courage for playing hurt or sick. And I expect if he somehow pulled that game out he'd be a hero for it. Since we lost it's easier to label it as a bad decision.

It's funny all week anytime I've heard an ex-player talk about it, most have supported the decision to keep him in the game, while those in the media that aren't ex-players are saying it was a bad move.

It's all gonna be decided in hindsight. If there's nothing seriously wrong with Robert's leg, then it was the right call. If it is a career ender, then it was the wrong call.

Obviously it's not going to be a career ender. He's going to play football again, though everything I'm hearing and reading is suggesting he won't be QBing for the 'Skins again until mid-2013-season at best, summer 2014 at worse.

If I'm Snyder, tho', I might want to have a quiet word with my coach, and talk to him about the advisability of risking my property's value without some reasonable process in place to provide some perspective on such decisions. Surely we can do better than, "Hey, you OK?" when deciding a young man's fate and the future of one of the most valuable sports franchises in the world.

Myself, I'm cautious fellow. I think that after you're two TDs up with Robert, I would have thought back to game 7 in the 1970 NBA playoffs. Willis Reed, the Knicks starting center, playing with a badly injured knee, limped onto the court and hit his first two shots. Then he sat down, having inspired the team and the crowd. The Knicks beat the Lakers by 15.

Maybe you sit Robert down for a while up 14-zip after one quarter. 'Cause after that, he pretty much stunk up the joint. Understandably, but still...

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by milellie111

Excuse me for being a realist and not a homer. Maybe you're referring the thread i started about predictions on the Pittsburg Steelers game and i just made some objective observations? Call it negative in tone about the team or whatever, i was just stating how i saw things realistically. Did you predict this team to go 10-6 in the beginning of the season? I highly doubt it just like everyone else. So if you would have predicted 8-8, you should have been looked at as a pessimist? So why do i get tarred and feathered (mostly by you on this board) for stating my opinion?

Stupid to say he doesn't care about people? Perhaps you know Shanahan personally and have family dinners at his house. All I'm just going by is his track record and first hand accounts of what happened in Denver of him putting a players health aside to win a game. Oh yeah, and what i witnessed on the 2nd row behind the Redskins bench this past Sunday.

One partial reason, and I could be speaking only from my bias, is that rather than joining in discussions (ie replying to ongoing threads) you start a new thread that is a rehash of what others are already talking about. So then you simply spawn a thread which is a re-tread, and ultimately inane. But hey, don't worry about the other posts already discussing a topic, knock yourself out, and let us know the wisdom that comes from the fount of milellie11

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Bingo.

I'll be curious to see how many people in this forum got on Cutler's case when he was taken out of a game last year b/c he was hurt. I can't remember exactly, but I think it may have been a playoffs game or something late in the season.

Yeah forgot about that one, Cutler got ripped a new one for not toughing out his knee injury.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Great, a thread started by Milellie with a response from The Goat. This is my hell

Been meaning to ask what you've heard out of Denver since Shanahan's departure? Somewhere you said people think Mike's the nicest guy in football, and though I didn't want to get in a pissing match in the midst of our winning streak it's been on my mind ever since. One of my relatives in Denver who spends time with folks from the Broncos FO has told me Elway privately speaks about his dislike of Shanahan as a person, leader etc. Going along those lines it certainly seems like Mike has left a whole string of burnt bridges in his career.

Your thoughts?

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Yeah forgot about that one, Cutler got ripped a new one for not toughing out his knee injury.

A torn MCL if I remember.

[milellie111]

Originally Posted by SCRedskinsFan

You're proving our point. These were fluff posts when you were new here and were fawning over the Warpath.

Your substantive stuff has been predominantly negative, and, much of the time flat out wrong. (you know what post) I mean really, really, epically wrong.

That's what we're talking about.

Most of my posts and threads started lead to some substantial conversation and i don't insult anyone on here or belittle their opinions.

You on the other hand seem to be focused with bullying, making snide sarcastic remarks as if you are an arrogant know it all. Sorry, but i don't think that you have any clearance to judge my posts or threads. Here are some of your posts and "Excellent" contributions you've made on this forum:


"Actually most of us kinda like you here just as we like Giantone.

But not posting most of the season and showing up after a heartbreak loss is at least bad timing and maybe a lot more. If you're back, stay engaged, at least a little bit, if not, stay away. Your choice STJ... "



You're thinking waayyy too much. Between Griffin and Shanahan we won the NFC East. Stop there, and be very, very careful with the "boy" reference...



Stop with this ACL crap already! You don't know sh**!!!!



Speaking of d*****bags. Hello.



You're a piece of work. If this is sarcasm it's brilliant.



You can keep saying it, but you won't sound any smarter. Lol

[MTK]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

A torn MCL if I remember.

yup, what a pussy

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Been meaning to ask what you've heard out of Denver since Shanahan's departure? Somewhere you said people think Mike's the nicest guy in football, and though I didn't want to get in a pissing match in the midst of our winning streak it's been on my mind ever since. One of my relatives in Denver who spends time with folks from the Broncos FO has told me Elway privately speaks about his dislike of Shanahan as a person, leader etc. Going along those lines it certainly seems like Mike has left a whole string of burnt bridges in his career.

Your thoughts?

You want to get into he said, she said? I don't talk specifically to the guys in Denver (maybe Schlereth is the exception) and I've never spoken to anyone in Denver.

I thought Mike Shanahan was an ass (my distant impression of him, not based on any personal interaction) and figured we'd have the anti-Gibbs in terms of personality, caring for his staff, etc.

From what I've heard it's quite the opposite actually. He's no Gibbs (who is) but let's not kid ourselves, you have your idea of who he is and unless I personally introduce you to him and have you sit down and spend time with him, you're not going to change your mind

[CrazyCanuck]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Bingo.

I'll be curious to see how many people in this forum got on Cutler's case when he was taken out of a game last year b/c he was hurt. I can't remember exactly, but I think it may have been a playoffs game or something late in the season.

It was the NFC CHAMPIONSHIP.

Can anyone here picture RG riding a bike on the sidelines in any game, let alone the NFC Championship??

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Yes, but he was ineffective because he knee was hanging by a thread. Everyone saw it. Benching him keeps him out of harms way AND gives us the best chance to win. It's not like he was 100% healthy and just having an off day. If that was the case, of course you don't take him out.

You're combining two arguments that, in my mind, are competely seperate.

From a health perspective, I dont think RGIII should have played to begin with. He should have been inactive. However, since Shanahan decided to start him, at that point, you stick with him just like you would if he were 100% healthy. You only remove him if an injury that prevents him from playing.

[milellie111]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Been meaning to ask what you've heard out of Denver since Shanahan's departure? Somewhere you said people think Mike's the nicest guy in football, and though I didn't want to get in a pissing match in the midst of our winning streak it's been on my mind ever since. One of my relatives in Denver who spends time with folks from the Broncos FO has told me Elway privately speaks about his dislike of Shanahan as a person, leader etc. Going along those lines it certainly seems like Mike has left a whole string of burnt bridges in his career.

Your thoughts?

Why listen or worry about what Elway said? SmootSmack told me my opinion of Shanhan was "stupid" of me to think that he doesn't care about his players health. Obviously SmootSmack knows Shanahan better than Elway does.