RGIII undergoing total reconstructive surgery: out 6-8 months

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Eh?

His knee was already compromised, didn't take much to injure it further. A brace does little to prevent injury... it's just there to provide support to a weak joint.

Exactly, and if it slides out of place, it cant provide the support. If it cant provide support, and you put your weight on it, twist it, etc., youre more likely to injure it. When Griffin left the game the first time (didnt miss any plays) and went into that horribly tacky looking plywood shack, it was to put his brace back on properly because it had slipped out of place. When he came back in, he was limping 10 times worse than he was before. Seems to me the brace falling out of place, allowed his knee to move in ways it wasnt healthy enough for, resulting in his injury, but thats just the assumption i made.

[los panda]

get well griff, come back stronger, we know you're hungry.

[skinsfaninok]

His dad said the AcL wasn't as bad and that they just did they surgery anyway. I guess he's trying to say it wasn't torn all the way? Either way I'm done w the RGIII knee lol.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Exactly, and if it slides out of place, it cant provide the support. If it cant provide support, and you put your weight on it, twist it, etc., youre more likely to injure it. When Griffin left the game the first time (didnt miss any plays) and went into that horribly tacky looking plywood shack, it was to put his brace back on properly because it had slipped out of place. When he came back in, he was limping 10 times worse than he was before. Seems to me the brace falling out of place, allowed his knee to move in ways it wasnt healthy enough for, resulting in his injury, but thats just the assumption i made.

Why do you think it slid out of place?

I would bet that thing was on tighter than a drum, and probably heavily taped up underneath as well.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Then who makes up the schedule, Mr. Paintrain?

Originally Posted by Mattyk

SS can probably address this in more depth, but I assure you it's not Goodell.

I believe there is a committee that works on it.

SS used to work on the schedule. There are alot of posts in a thread earlier this year where he shares some insights, but here are some highlights:

http://http://www.thewarpath.net/red...tml#post909977

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

It's a beast of a job. Working on scheduling was one of my most demanding, yet satisfying jobs ever

Yeah ESPN will build out multiple scenarios/schedules. Taking into account various factors.

There is a lot of back and forth with ESPN and the league (and indirectly the other networks). For example, let's say the NFL tells NBC we want that Bucanneers vs. Falcons game in early October because ESPN working on renewing a deal with the cable affiliate in Tampa and we want to apply some pressure marketing and heavy advertising in October, then the NFL will come back to ESPN and say "that Ravens game you wanted in November, NBC wants that now in exchange for giving you the Tampa game."

Or Fox could say we've got no room on the schedule for a 1pm Dolphins game and Miami doesn't want it at 4pm because the Heat are already playing at home and traffic would be a mess, so the NFL puts them on the road that week and so on.

Ultimately, it's what the NFL wants to do. But there is a lot of back and forth negotiating.

There are also contractual obligations regarding prime time games. Some that are known, like max number of prime time games for each team. Others that are not as well known, such as geographic obligations.

From ESPN's end, there are no computer simulated scenarios. It's all people operated.

And yes, 100+ game seasons are insane. Tennis is particularly difficult.

At ESPN in particular, there are specific teams of people assigned to various sports as well as news and info.

So everybody will work on their own schedules and casually interact with other sport teams.

Then every Tuesday morning, we'd have a free for all meeting. Well not a free for all per se, but it can get intense. "I have to schedule an NBA doubleheader this Friday. But I have to put a NASCAR race on ESPN2 at 9pm. But PBA bought 2 hours of time for a bowling tournament. But I have to get 18 hours of tennis programming in this week and 55% has to be on ESPN or ESPN2. But we're expecting the NFL to make their announcement this Friday night so we have to be prepared to go all night with SportsCenter. And so on.

Lot of "fun" to work through all the scenarios.

In the thread, SS linked to this interesting article that goes into more detail. Its a really interesting read.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/20/sp...agewanted=all&

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

His dad said the AcL wasn't as bad and that they just did they surgery anyway. I guess he's trying to say it wasn't torn all the way? Either way I'm done w the RGIII knee lol.

As some reports seem to indicate a partial tear can be worse than a full tear. No guarantee it will heal or get back to 100% at least, and the potential for it to fully tear will always be there. Best to just start from scratch I guess.

[Ohioskins]

The biggest problem with this development is a repeat of what we saw on the field on Sunday: a fantastic 22 year old star athlete who has a skewed perception of himself as Superman physically capable of super-human feats and a head coach who lacks the guts to force the 22 year old to face reality. I
have no doubt that no matter how the surgery and rehab go, RG3 will declare himself ready for opening day whether that is medically correct or not and no one will have the maturity and guts to tell RG3 to show a reasonable level of caution.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Why do you think it slid out of place?

I would bet that thing was on tighter than a drum, and probably heavily taped up underneath as well.

One of the sideline reporters (Pam Oliver?) said that's what they were doing during the game. The brace slipped out of place, and they also had to re-tape....

Someone interviewed on the postgame show also mentioned it, but i dont know if they independantly verified or were just repeating what was said during the broadcast

[los panda]

guys, i've been playing around w various types/sizes of rubber bands. from what i gather, griff is going to be just fine

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Ohioskins

The biggest problem with this development is a repeat of what we saw on the field on Sunday: a fantastic 22 year old star athlete who has a skewed perception of himself as Superman physically capable of super-human feats and a head coach who lacks the guts to force the 22 year old to face reality. I
have no doubt that no matter how the surgery and rehab go, RG3 will declare himself ready for opening day whether that is medically correct or not and no one will have the maturity and guts to tell RG3 to show a reasonable level of caution.

I agree without about RGIII, but not about the coaching staff not having the guts to say no to RGIII in the future. During the post game press conference, Shanahan said something to the effect of his still learning how honest RGIII is when it comes to how he feels. Players will always say they can play, even when they cant. Once a coach works with a player for a while, they learn when the player truly can go and when he is just being tough and trying not to let his teammates down. Shanahan admitted to the fact that he would second guess some of the decisions he made. I'm pretty sure that Shanahan won't take Griffin's words at face value anymore.

Regardless of how quickly RGIII recovers, one positive i see is that Cousins will get most - if not all - of the offseason and preseason work. This should really help him develop and mature as a player so, not only will he be more primed for success as our temporary starter, but whenever he moves into the backup role, he'll be more prepared to come in on a moments notice without missing a beat.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Then who makes up the schedule, Mr. Paintrain?

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/20/sp...anted=all&_r=0

There's this awesome free service available to those using the World Wide Web called Google. It allows you to search for information by simply entering a few key words. There are similar services like Bing, Yahoo, etc.

I'm not sure if they've been tested but at first use, they seem to be slightly more accurate than extracting information from your anus.

[los panda]

is anyone else excited that kirk is going to get so much work in the offseason, preseason, and possibly/probably regular season?

silver lining, a great chance to further develop our backup

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by los panda

is anyone else excited that kirk is going to get so much work in the offseason, preseason, and possibly/probably regular season?

silver lining, a great chance to further develop our backup

and increase his value for a potential trade in the future.

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

and increase his value for a potential trade in the future.

Not a guarantee he helps himself. If he plays poorly he'll blow it and lose his chance. Not that I'm saying I want that to happen or that it will….

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SkinzWin

Not a guarantee he helps himself. If he plays poorly he'll blow it and lose his chance. Not that I'm saying I want that to happen or that it will….

He played well against the Browns on one week's worth of practice. I think Cousins will be fine next season after going an entire offseason taking snaps as the starter. He's no RG3, but it's not like he's going to straight out suck.