PrismmmMMMMmmmm, good! NOT!

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

Yeah, I know. I feel the kind of 'dirty' a shower can't help.

Hmmmm, I think I have the solution: Please join me in a moment of prayer in hopes that, through grace, we may gain a deeper understanding of this problem.

See ... instant smugness restorer. Feel better now?

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Hmmmm, I think I have the solution: Please join me in a moment of prayer in hopes that, through grace, we may gain a deeper understanding of this problem.

See ... instant smugness restorer. Feel better now?

[CRedskinsRule]

If Russia announced that they were tapping all incoming foreign national calls, we would be on them about civil liberties. If Germany announced that it was spying on all US nationals that entered the country, it would cause a huge political fallout. If our government spies on us, the person or organization that reveals it, is a traitor. Got it.

To go further, if Bush runs Gitmo it is horrendous and needs to be shutdown. If the president who promised to shut it within months of his 1st election keeps it open for 6 years, then it clearly serves the national interest, and we just need to trust our government.

The hypocrisy of the media/govt elite is so overwhelming, it is amazing to me that we are even as free as we are.

[MTK]

4th amendment says government needs a damn good reason to be in your business, which the Patriot Act casually gutted. And Republicans just noticed.

and

I am appalled that the government is snooping on me - this must stop! On the other hand, when someone is watching it does make it hotter.

-Bill Maher

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

4th amendment says government needs a damn good reason to be in your business, which the Patriot Act casually gutted. And Republicans just noticed.
and

I am appalled that the government is snooping on me - this must stop! On the other hand, when someone is watching it does make it hotter.

-Bill Maher

Yup. It was a bad law that everyone initially voted for, which both sides renewed in the Senate and which Obama - using questionable Constitutional methods - extended despite the extension's failure to pass the House in 2011.

Lots of blame to go around on this one. As the Chief Executive, however, administration of the law is firmly in the purview of Obama. He has shown his ability in the past to forego enforcement of laws he found distasteful yet, here, he has endorsed the gutting of individual liberty.

Call Republicans hypocritical if you like. Bottom line is that this administration has expanded the attack on personal liberties well beyond anything Bush did.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Yup. It was a bad law that everyone initially voted for, which both sides renewed in the Senate and which Obama - using questionable Constitutional methods - extended despite the extension's failure to pass the House in 2011.

Lots of blame to go around on this one. As the Chief Executive, however, administration of the law is firmly in the purview of Obama. He has shown his ability in the past to forego enforcement of laws he found distasteful yet, here, he has endorsed the gutting of individual liberty.

Call Republicans hypocritical if you like. Bottom line is that this administration has expanded the attack on personal liberties well beyond anything Bush did.

If Bush were still in office, don't you think he'd be pushing the same agenda, or maybe worse?

I'm not in favor of what's going on, it's just funny to hear everyone up in arms about this now, where was all the fuss in 2001?

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

If Bush were still in office, don't you think he'd be pushing the same agenda, or maybe worse?

I'm not in favor of what's going on, it's just funny to hear everyone up in arms about this now, where was all the fuss in 2001?

This is a sexier story. A "heroic" whistleblower escapes the grasping claws of a tyrannical government so expose its nefarious misdoings. In the only thing being discussed was the potential for this type of stuff. Not many seemed to care.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

If Bush were still in office, don't you think he'd be pushing the same agenda, or maybe worse?

I'm not in favor of what's going on, it's just funny to hear everyone up in arms about this now, where was all the fuss in 2001?

Where was it in 1979?

https://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/eo12139.htm

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Where was it in 1979?

https://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/eo12139.htm

The use of the word 'Foreign' threw everyone off?

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Where was it in 1979?

https://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/eo12139.htm

SS you must have made that up , that could not have happen because Obama wasn't President and as this board will tell you he is personally responsible for everything wrong in this country ,......ever!!!

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

If Bush were still in office, don't you think he'd be pushing the same agenda, or maybe worse?

I'm not in favor of what's going on, it's just funny to hear everyone up in arms about this now, where was all the fuss in 2001?

Just reference any of The One's pre-office statements on this kind of thing. It doesn't seem to be such a concern now.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

Just reference any of The One's pre-office statements on this kind of thing. It doesn't seem to be such a concern now.

Welcome to politics. Where politicians say what they need to say to get elected, then reality hits when they get in office and they see what's really behind curtain #1.

[JoeRedskin]

On the topic at hand, individual liberties are slowly but surely being strangled out in the name of security and tolerance. Soon enough, the only thing we will be "secure" from is the ability to voice unpopular or divisive thought while being subject to the Kafka'esque brutality of an overly bureaucratic government with the added random evil of the mob unrestrained by legal process. All in the name of public safety and tolerance.

With apologies to Rush, the day is coming when Congress shall pass a noble law and all will be kept equal by hatchet, axe, and saw.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

On the topic at hand, individual liberties are slowly but surely being strangled out in the name of security and tolerance. Soon enough, the only thing we will be "secure" from is the ability to voice unpopular or divisive thought while being subject to the Kafka'esque brutality of an overly bureaucratic government with the added random evil of the mob unrestrained by legal process. All in the name of public safety and tolerance.

With apologies to Rush, the day is coming when Congress shall pass a noble law and all will be kept equal by hatchet, axe, and saw.

Outstanding song reference JR.

[RedskinRat]

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