Let's face it. Our WRs are set...

[CRT3]

Boss Hog, Marlin Jackson with our 1st pick? Now that would be a reach. And picking the kids from hampton so he can return balls because of speed is also quite a reach. While speed is great it does not translate into a great returner. Plus with Thrash, Moss, Brown, and you heard it here Morton (ughhh) we have plenty of good ones already.

Marlin Jackson, get real with that one, you must be a diehard Wolverines fan cause only a Michagan alum would make that pick. I agree reciever is pretty much covered but they still might pick one, you never know. Rolle if he is still there will be the pick. He is smart and big which is the type of corner these days that is needed.

Also we have a very good chance of picking a DE with number 9 or the 1st pick in round 2. Your statement "Remember we had guys like Chris Clemons, Demetric Evans and Ron Warner wrecking havoc" What games were you watching cause if I am correct between the 3 of them they had 6 sacks. Clemons the DE did not even play last year, but his brother the LB played. They hardly wrecked havoc, what the Redskins did alot was smoke and mirrors to free up 1 or 2 players for a sack. Double corner blitzs and zone blitzs were the norm. This is how we got pressure.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by jrocx69

ummmm patten was a #2 for the pats, lol and moss was a #1 two seasons ago and would have been last season. so get ur shit straight, our wr's are proven but jacobs and mcants as "EVERYDOWN" wr's.

Moss WAS the Jets #1 WR a year ago, but he was set to become the Jets #3. I hardly think that establishes him as a "proven" wideout. He had ONE, count em', ONE good year (Gardner also had a 70+ catch, 1,000+ yard season). He had fewer catches last season than Rod Gardner...who few think is proven.

Patten was argably anywhere from the #2 to the #4 wideout for the Pats. David Givens appeared in 1 less game than Patten and had 12 more catches. Moreover, the Pats spread the ball around so much because they relied on depth more than stars. Finally, in EIGHT seasons, Patten has yet to crack the 900 yard mark in a season, let alone the 1,000 yard mark. He'd had ONE season of 60+ catches. So, I'm not sure how he can be considered a "proven" starting-caliber wideout.

Thrash....proven? Okay, we just disagree on that one.

McCants....proven? Proven what? That he can be inactive for 11 games last season on a wide recieving corps ridiculed by many posters on this site and implicitly by Gibbs.

Some of these guys have a lot of promise (Moss, Jacobs, McCants), but it's a HUGE stretch to say they're "proven" guys.

Between our ENTIRE recieving corps, I count ONE, UNO, a SINGLE 1,000 yard season. Other than Thrash, the only guy who has even been considered a possible true #1 wideout is Moss (who, as noted has only 1 1,000 yard season under his belt). How is that proven?

[TheMalcolmConnection]

I still think the general consensus is that we take Williams if he is available. That being said, I also wouldn't be too upset to take a CB first and a DE second in the draft. Just as I have (and Daseal) have been saying, give Daniels a chance!

[MTK]

If Williams is there at #9 I don't see a better value for the pick.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Most definitely. I'm just worried about the Titans right now... I'd much rather just see them take Pac Man and deal with it.

[lifetimeskin]

I am not sure that our WR situation is as bad as it is being made out to be. Yes we don't have a "proven" multiple year 1K yd season guy, but what we do have is 4 guys that have played regularly. Remember the skins will still be a run oriented team, and they need speed to keep the safties back. Moss and Patten provide that. Actually, I think it is briilliant. Teams will have to keep safties back, unless they RISK the possiblity of major big plays similar to what the Pats did to the Steelers in the AFC Championship game. Yes Coles when healthy, was MUCH better than both of our new additoins, but he hasn't been healthy for a while. This whole offense is based on Portis.

I would like the skins to look at the CB position first, the DE position 2nd, and then best available player.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Very true lifetimeskin... If we can get the secondary to respect those wideouts, Portis will have a lot of room to run after hitting the second level.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

I don't think our wide receiving corps is a disaster, but it's undoubtedly a weak point on our team. And yes, I'm aware that every team has weak points. I just took issue with the "proven" part of the assessment of our WR corps.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Hopefully behind a much-improved line these guys will finally get the chance TO prove themselves.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by lifetimeskin

This whole offense is based on Portis.

I think this is the best point that nobody has made (at least that I have seen) this week.. All the hemming and hawing and boo-hooing over the trade and our WR, we tend to forget we're still a running team. We're not trying to be the '99 Rams.. Portis & Betts are going to account for 65% of the offense in a well executed Gibbs offense.. The passing game is designed for big plays and short 3rd down conversions.. That's the way it is operating when it's at it's peak.. With Rabach, a healthy Jansen and Portis with a year under his belt knwoing the offense he could have a great year which will open up the passing game, regardless of the WR we have..

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

I would bet $100 that over 70% of the Warpathers will be asking for a new starting WR next offseason.

Any takers?

[GoSkins!]

Again, Gibbs is just filling in the blanks that he feels he needs to make his system work. He wants more speed at receiver (Moss, Patten) to open it up for Portis and hit a few long balls. Patten has better hands then Gardner, so I think that that will be an upgrade. We could definitley get better at WR, but I think we could really shore up the team more for years to come by trading down and getting more young talent.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by GoSkins!

Again, Gibbs is just filling in the blanks that he feels he needs to make his system work. He wants more speed at receiver (Moss, Patten) to open it up for Portis and hit a few long balls. Patten has better hands then Gardner, so I think that that will be an upgrade. We could definitley get better at WR, but I think we could really shore up the team more for years to come by trading down and getting more young talent.

Considering the lack of star power in the draft this year, trading down is a good idea. Moreover, I always love the idea of hoarding draft picks. Then again, those are the very same reasons why it will be hard for us to trade down.

[SmootSmack]

This has probably been addressed somewhere in this thread, I'm just too lazy to look for it, but what about Rod Gardner?

I know the plan is to trade him, but let's just say they don't. Suppose they don't get the right offer and decide ultimately to just hold onto him. Do you bury him at the bottom of the depth chart and just let him walk next offseason? Do you make him a #1 or 2 and showcase his value possibly for a midseason trade? Clearly you wouldn't draft a receiver then, right?

And lest you think it's a lock that RG won't be here come September, from Saturday's Washington Post:

"This week, Coach Joe Gibbs said Washington is willing to keep Gardner if the club isn't satisfied with the return. And according to sources familiar with the situation, Gardner hasn't yet been dealt partly because Washington has been choosy about offers."

[offiss]

Originally Posted by BossHog

Get this into your freakin' head people! We will not be drafting a WR in the early rounds in the upcoming draft! No Mike Williams, no Troy Williamson, no Mark Clayton. With the additions of Moss and Patten along with Thrash, Jacobs, and Gibbs' reiterated favorite, McCants, why? It's more likely for us to draft a WR in the later rounds who's willing to be the return man and do the dirty work on special teams. Our draft priorities should reflect need at CB, DL, MLB, TE, in no particular order. I believe it's imperative that we trade down for a lower first rounder and a second rounder. And if we can get at least a third round pick for the Gardner trade, we should be able to fufill those needs with some great talent. How's this?

1. CB Marlin Jackson Michigan
2. DE Matt Roth Iowa
3. TE Alex Smitn Stanford
3. MLB Barrett Rudd Nebraska
4. DT Eric Coleman Clemson
5. WR Jerome Mathis Hampton (That's right! He won't be selected in the early rounds)
6. C Vince Carter Oklahoma
7. Go figure

Of course, the chips don't have to fall exactly this way. As every selection garners consideration of drafting the best player available that fills your need.

If either William's or Edward's is there when we pick were taking taking 1 of them! Patten was the #4 reciever for the Pat's this past season, and Moss was being demoted from #1 to #3 those are the fact's, the only way we trade down is if both are gone.

I want to know where all the big time Lavar supporter's are? If we keep yapping about a DE obviously nobody has any real belief that Lavar will be able to pressure the QB? And if he is everything everyone here say's he is we will pressure the QB as well as anyone. If we were the #3 D without Lavar we should be able to better that with him, In which case improving 1 of the best defenses in the league at the expense of 1 of the worst offenses in the league is just ridiculous.

Jackson, Mathis, and Carter are good pick's, but good luck getting them in the round's your presenting, only if we trade down and take Jackson in the first rd. will we get him, I would like to add Vincent Jackson WR to that list, only if we miss out on the big 2, then and only then if we know we can get a #1 reciever in the second rd. do we look to take Jackson in the first after we trade down, and a backup center/guard to groom is more of a necessity right now than a DE.