Clinton Portis sues NFL over concussions.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

As mlmdub said, both parties are at fault in this blame game. Not so much the older players because player safety and concussions weren't a big thing back then, and neither was the information as available as it is now. The players in the 2000's really don't have much of a leg to stand on. They've known now for a while about the future side effects of repeated concussions and they've continued playing. Even Portis would STILL be playing if any team were interested in him.


All this said, the players want money, they had their opportunity this past CBA to get that money. If they weren't so idiotic and impatient, they could have scored. As it is, you had too many that were living a high life style and caved into the peanuts thrown their way. There is no way the players couldn't demand a 80/20 split of the revenue. They ARE the talent, not the owners. If they walk away, it's the owners that are left with the massive debt and franchises, who's value would plummet. A 9 billion a year revenue machine and the prime employees who make it as great as it is settles for pennies on the dollar.

As for Matty's comment about the NFL withholding information about concussions. Without a doubt I believe they did. It's all about the product, and the product brings in the money. These owners could give two shits about the players health. It's their pockets they care about.

Well, yes and no.

They care about keeping their star players healthy, which in turn generates revenue.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Skinzman

You go into rage mode every time someone criticizes Goodell. ...

1) It gets old 2) it gets boring 3) it is BS .

Your definition of rage and mine are very different .

Blaming Goodell for everything wrong ....and yes SOME people here do , is lazy and just BS.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Well, if RedskinRat, saden1, Smootsmack and Matty all beat the crap out of me, I can sue anyone of them for the entire amount of harm done to me (I'd pick saden1 b/c he studied law at a Holiday Inn). It is then up to saden1 to (1) join, by third party complaint, all the others; or (2) after I beat him in court, sue Matty, SS and RR for contribution to the judgment against him.

It is a defense to say "I am not the person that hurt you." It is not a defense to say "I am not the only person that hurt you." The purpose is to provide full recovery to a wrongly injured party. Thus, when a group of people wrongly harm you, the duty of specifically proving how much damage each person caused lies with those who caused the injuries - not with the person who suffered them.

Ok JR question , don't some states I think Florida is one that takes into account the fact of the person...ie ...victim help contribute to his injuries/ condition himself by being a willing and "paid" participant ?


Also you say "wrongly" ,how is this person wrong if they openly volunteered and where willing to inflict the same damage on others as was done to himself?

[JPPT1974]

Portis won't be the first nor will he be the play to sue. As 4,5K players are suing as he is one of them.

[CRedskinsRule]

I hope this link works. Interesting read: http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/...,1866164.story

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I hope this link works. Interesting read: The truth about football - latimes.com

One of the comments from that article is pretty funny.

Extreme Sports (BMX, Motocross, Skateboarding), X-Games, Jackass/Ridiculousness MTV kind of stunts kids do today for the hopes of fame and popularity....

I think I rather have my son play football...

I have to admit, I agree with whoever this was that made the comment.

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by Giantone

1) It gets old 2) it gets boring 3) it is BS .

Your definition of rage and mine are very different .

Blaming Goodell for everything wrong ....and yes SOME people here do , is lazy and just BS.

It happens, you arent changing anyones mind. Debate someone on the merits of Goodell if you want. He has done some good and some bad, but that just matches pretty much anyone else running a large operation. Its not just here that you will find people moaning about Goodell.

As for 'rage mode' being said on the internet. That doesnt mean you are punching holes in your walls or wanting to beat up a neighbor. Its an expression to mean someone getting pissed off/angry. And your posts pertaining to Goodell come across as exactly that. Give your reasonings for your opinion and move on.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Well, yes and no.

They care about keeping their star players healthy, which in turn generates revenue.

I always think of a player, front office/ownership relationship like a casual relationship. They use each other until one party can no longer help the other, then the relationship terminates.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Ok JR question , don't some states I think Florida is one that takes into account the fact of the person...ie ...victim help contribute to his injuries/ condition himself by being a willing and "paid" participant?

All states have that ... it's called assumption of the risk. See my earlier posts on the issue.

Originally Posted by Giantone

Also you say "wrongly" ,how is this person wrong if they openly volunteered and where willing to inflict the same damage on others as was done to himself?

It is "wrong" if they didn't assume the risk of injury that they suffered [or thought they were causing]. i.e. long term brain injury which only manifested itself several years after retiring. See my earlier posts.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

All states have that ... it's called assumption of the risk. See my earlier posts on the issue.



It is "wrong" if they didn't assume the risk of injury that they suffered [or thought they were causing]. i.e. long term brain injury which only manifested itself several years after retiring. See my earlier posts.

Thanks

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Skinzman

Give your reasonings for your opinion and move on.

I did, it's the people that blame Goodell all the time for everything from concussions to the Kennedy assignation that need to explain exactly how the Commissioner does the things he is accused of.

[That Guy]

it's like people thinking smoking wasn't bad for them. i dunno, i do think the NFL should be 100% upfront with anything it knows and the results of it's studies for the new guys coming in, but i'm still surprised current/recently retired players weren't 100% aware getting gang tackled 100 times a day wasn't good for your long term health.


i understand the older guys argument a bit more since some of them didn't make enough money to cover the associated medical problems, but for a guy that made 20+mill... come on.

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by Giantone

I did, it's the people that blame Goodell all the time for everything from concussions to the Kennedy assignation that need to explain exactly how the Commissioner does the things he is accused of.

Its hard to take you seriously when you are claiming that some are blaming Goodell for Kennedy being 'assignated'.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Skinzman

Its hard to take you seriously when you are claiming that some are blaming Goodell for Kennedy being 'assignated'.

Sorry ,assassination, mistakes happen.



p.s. ....must have been my blind computer rage .

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by That Guy

it's like people thinking smoking wasn't bad for them. i dunno, i do think the NFL should be 100% upfront with anything it knows and the results of it's studies for the new guys coming in, but i'm still surprised current/recently retired players weren't 100% aware getting gang tackled 100 times a day wasn't good for your long term health.


i understand the older guys argument a bit more since some of them didn't make enough money to cover the associated medical problems, but for a guy that made 20+mill... come on.

Like what kind of ****in' Asshole does NOT know that smoking was bad? Let's see, I cough all the time.....hockin' up loogies the size of Rhode Island.....I have no wind....
Oh well, probably not the "Luckies" right?
I realize Clinton acts like he attended the Earl Campbell academy of public speaking...but come on.