So... The Government is Shut Down...

[JoeRedskin]

The individual mandate may be "the cornerstone of Obamacare", but it is not and never was the ultimate problem with the ACA and the Republicans failure to grasp this issue is what prevented them from "fixing" healthcare (the failure to grasp being mainly among the Tea Party and their attacks on the Constitutionality of the act). All the individual mandate does - w/out any fundamental changes to the pricing model - is pour gas on an open fire.

An individual mandate with real healthcare reform should actually lower costs by capturing the multitude of young single people who would otherwise not purchase insurance and spreading the cost of care (which needed to be addressed separately).

[DynamiteRave]

Guess we should've seen this coming.

Woman Fires at Capitol After Trying to Ram White House Gates | NBC4 Washington

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

Guess we should've seen this coming.

Woman Fires at Capitol After Trying to Ram White House Gates | NBC4 Washington

Probably someone's stepford wife. Just bored and tired of their little man at home.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Probably someone's stepford wife. Just bored and tired of their little man at home.

lol zing!

[firstdown]

Joe I understand what your saying but for me this last ditch effort is worth it. Also Rep have put forth bills to fund goverment but Obama says he will not accept any partial funding.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Joe I understand what your saying but for me this last ditch effort is worth it. Also Rep have put forth bills to fund goverment but Obama says he will not accept any partial funding.

What "last ditch effort"? The ACA is a law and shutting down the gov't doesn't change that at all.

As for partial funding, NO ONE should accept that. The ACA is a law. Americans are expected to abide by the law, period.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Lotus

What "last ditch effort"? The ACA is a law and shutting down the gov't doesn't change that at all.

As for partial funding, NO ONE should accept that. The ACA is a law. Americans are expected to abide by the law, period.

I think of all the bad laws we have had on the books and if others didn't fight to change them then what a different world.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I think of all the bad laws we have had on the books and if others didn't fight to change them then what a different world.

If you want to change the ACA, fine. Take legislative action. But neither shutting down the government nor offering a partial payment scheme achieve that goal.

If Congressmen offered partial payments so that they could violate the law against murder, would you approve? If not, then please recognize that the law is the law, whether it be homicide or the ACA.

[MTK]

Conservatives need to admit defeat on health care and move on, the time to negotiate is over. Don't they have anything important to do? Like I don't know, passing the budget? Our gov't is flat out embarrassing.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Conservatives need to admit defeat on health care and move on, the time to negotiate is over. Don't they have anything important to do? Like I don't know, passing the budget? Our gov't is flat out embarrassing.

Obama has not passed a budget sense he has been in office why the need now?

[Monkeydad]

So proceed with a bad law just because it has been made a law, despite the number of jobs it's costing and more people are LOSING coverage than gaining it because of the legal requirements placed on employers and individuals alike, the fact that the Congressional Budget Office says it's costing 4 times the projected amount and will bankrupt the country, the fact that people's rate are tripling after being told it would decrease or cost nothing, it's driving many doctors to retire rather than deal with it, it's own authors admit it's a failure, the people who passed it are too afraid to live under it themselves and exempt not only themselves and their corporate friends and donors...and the list is endless?

The fact that someone is fighting this and not backing down gives our country a chance to actually survive it.

At minimum, the whole thing should be delayed until everything is actually in place to implement it. They've had three years already, but this debacle was not ready to be rolled out.

If you want a budget passed, blame goes solely on the Senate Democrats and President. They have not passed one since Obama has been President and we're heading into year #6. There's absolutely no excuse, the Democrats held the White House and BOTH houses of Congress for 2 years and still did not pass a budget.

That alone should be an impeachable offense, not performing the most important job duty they're required to do.

Lay off the vacations and parties and do your job, Mr. President and Senator Reid.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

So proceed with a bad law just because it has been made a law, despite the number of jobs it's costing and more people are LOSING coverage than gaining it because of the legal requirements placed on employers and individuals alike, the fact that the Congressional Budget Office says it's costing 4 times the projected amount and will bankrupt the country, the fact that people's rate are tripling after being told it would decrease or cost nothing, it's driving many doctors to retire rather than deal with it, it's own authors admit it's a failure, the people who passed it are too afraid to live under it themselves and exempt not only themselves and their corporate friends and donors...and the list is endless?

The fact that someone is fighting this and not backing down gives our country a chance to actually survive it.

At minimum, the whole thing should be delayed until everything is actually in place to implement it. They've had three years already, but this debacle was not ready to be rolled out.

If you want a budget passed, blame goes solely on the Senate Democrats and President. They have not passed one since Obama has been President and we're heading into year #6. There's absolutely no excuse, the Democrats held the White House and BOTH houses of Congress for 2 years and still did not pass a budget.

That alone should be an impeachable offense, not performing the most important job duty they're required to do.

Lay off the vacations and parties and do your job, Mr. President and Senator Reid.

Its also funny Obama and company has removed and delayed several parts of this bill so its not like the Rep are asking for anything they have not already done. If they want the ACA then it should be made to start for everyone like planned and no excluding anyone even congress. Why do people think its ok for Obama and the Dems to pick and choose who goes under Obama care?

[Lotus]

Please let's get something straight: if someone thinks that the ACA is a "bad law," that is an opinion.

The ACA is a law. That's a fact. Our whole system is based on such facts. The system is designed to operate lawfully.

Please stop acting like your opinion on the ACA is a fact. It is not.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Please let's get something straight: if someone thinks that the ACA is a "bad law," that is an opinion.

The ACA is a law. That's a fact. Our whole system is based on such facts. The system is designed to operate lawfully.

Please stop acting like your opinion on the ACA is a fact. It is not.

No its fact.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by firstdown

No its fact.

LOL this is why I hate politics.