Let's talk about the front office situation

los panda · 12-31-2013, 03:02 PM

i like b.a. because he's not vinny...

TheMalcolmConnection · 12-31-2013, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by saden1

The proof is in the pudding. It's not rehashing if failure is constant.

I got a question for you lot, what exactly is the difference between Allen and Cerrato?

For Cerrato it was undisputable proof that he was Snyder's yes-man, for Allen, it's PURE speculation, based on not many facts. Not to say he won't totally fail, BUT to say it's because he's up Snyder's butt might be a bit premature.

TheMalcolmConnection · 12-31-2013, 03:05 PM

I also think Allen is smart enough to know that if he starts messing up with personnel decisions and NOT consulting his experts, the comparisons to Vinny with be the same and he likely will suffer the same fate.

Chico23231 · 12-31-2013, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by saden1

The proof is in the pudding. It's not rehashing if failure is constant.

I got a question for you lot, what exactly is the difference between Allen and Cerrato?

Obviously it's ba perfers to use the draft
To build the team, stronger negotiating fa contracts, the ability to obtain a franchise qb. Very big differences

RobH4413 · 12-31-2013, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

For Cerrato it was undisputable proof that he was Snyder's yes-man, for Allen, it's PURE speculation, based on not many facts. Not to say he won't totally fail, BUT to say it's because he's up Snyder's butt might be a bit premature.

Good point. I just have a tough time giving Snyder the benefit of the doubt. I also understand that it's a tired argument to be critical of our owner.... but feel it's applicable given the latest. You'll rarely here me bash Snyder inappropriately when it's out of context.

Obviously hoping that Allen and Co succeed, but cant shake the feeling that weve done this before.

WillH · 12-31-2013, 03:37 PM

Is really no one else concerned that Allen implied that they are making schematic decisions without a coach in place?

saden1 · 12-31-2013, 03:39 PM

So we are going to give Allen certain credit over the last 4 years but none of the blame? If you want to say he has been the GM over the last 4 years he has been a poor one, if you want to say he really didn't have full control he'd still be a poor "GM." Allen, Snyder and Shannahan have 24-40 record.

From a General Management standpoint this team has more holes than Swiss Cheese and Allen is part of this disastrous regime.

Schneed10 · 12-31-2013, 03:40 PM

The notion that Allen is Snyder's puppet makes no sense. Shanahan made every decision, the only one Snyder got involved with was trading for RG3. I'd like to know who among us thought that was a mistake in 2012 when we made that deal, and who among us thought it was a mistake after his rookie year.

The blame for RG3's injury and the subsequent shit-storm that ensued lies at the feet of Shanahan.

And if you want to get up in arms about the owner having dinner with his QB, the coach needs to be able to handle that kind of thing because quite simply: who gives a flying eff. It's just f'ing dinner.

saden1 · 12-31-2013, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by WillH

Is really no one else concerned that Allen implied that they are making schematic decisions without a coach in place?

LOL, I am...What a farce.

TheMalcolmConnection · 12-31-2013, 03:42 PM

Exactly. I mean how many people here are supervisors? Do you not have friendships with your employees because you don't want to upset everyone else? Not only that, by all accounts RG3 is a very likeable guy. If I'M RG3, I would think it was odd if the person writing my paycheck avoided me.

Schneed10 · 12-31-2013, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by WillH

Is really no one else concerned that Allen implied that they are making schematic decisions without a coach in place?

I never heard him say anything to that effect.

Chico23231 · 12-31-2013, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by saden1

So we are going to give Allen certain credit over the last 4 years but none of the blame? If you want to say he has been the GM over the last 4 years he has been a poor one, if you want to say he really didn't have full control he'd still be a poor "GM." Allen, Snyder and Shannahan have 24-40 record.

From a General Management standpoint this team has more holes than Swiss Cheese and Allen is part of this disastrous regime.

Didnt Allen accept some of that blame yesterday and stated some changes. You didnt see someone close lip, but someone who stood up, took a little blame and talked about the future. Another difference between Vinny and Bruce. Leadership. I really dont see, how you dont see.

TheMalcolmConnection · 12-31-2013, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by saden1

So we are going to give Allen certain credit over the last 4 years but none of the blame? If you want to say he has been the GM over the last 4 years he has been a poor one, if you want to say he really didn't have full control he'd still be a poor "GM." Allen, Snyder and Shannahan have 24-40 record.

From a General Management standpoint this team has more holes than Swiss Cheese and Allen is part of this disastrous regime.

What things should we blame Allen for? I'm no apologist, but he had zero involvement in anything that happened after the Shanahan hire.

saden1 · 12-31-2013, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Schneed10

The notion that Allen is Snyder's puppet makes no sense. Shanahan made every decision, the only one Snyder got involved with was trading for RG3. I'd like to know who among us thought that was a mistake in 2012 when we made that deal, and who among us thought it was a mistake after his rookie year.

The blame for RG3's injury and the subsequent shit-storm that ensued lies at the feet of Shanahan.

And if you want to get up in arms about the owner having dinner with his QB, the coach needs to be able to handle that kind of thing because quite simply: who gives a flying eff. It's just f'ing dinner.

So GM in name only then? GMs do GM things... Perhaps he need the paycheck?

Redskins_P · 12-31-2013, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by saden1

So we are going to give Allen certain credit over the last 4 years but none of the blame? If you want to say he has been the GM over the last 4 years he has been a poor one, if you want to say he really didn't have full control he'd still be a poor "GM." Allen, Snyder and Shannahan have 24-40 record.

From a General Management standpoint this team has more holes than Swiss Cheese and Allen is part of this disastrous regime.

Allen wasn't picking the players, it was Shanny. Plus, Allen said on his press conference that everyone was responsible and took blame. I don't think anyone has given him any credit besides the cap situation.

Shanahan takes the bulk of the blame for the last 4 years because he CHOSE HIS PLAYERS. The holes you speak of were created by Shanahan.

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los panda Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 5,230	Re: Let's talk about the front office situation i like b.a. because he's not vinny... __________________ 9 21 28 33 42 43 44 49 65 81

12-31-2013, 03:05 PM	#48
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,233	Re: Let's talk about the front office situation I also think Allen is smart enough to know that if he starts messing up with personnel decisions and NOT consulting his experts, the comparisons to Vinny with be the same and he likely will suffer the same fate. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

12-31-2013, 03:37 PM	#51
WillH The Starter Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,592	Re: Let's talk about the front office situation Is really no one else concerned that Allen implied that they are making schematic decisions without a coach in place?

12-31-2013, 03:39 PM	#52
saden1 MVP Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Seattle Age: 45 Posts: 10,069	Re: Let's talk about the front office situation So we are going to give Allen certain credit over the last 4 years but none of the blame? If you want to say he has been the GM over the last 4 years he has been a poor one, if you want to say he really didn't have full control he'd still be a poor "GM." Allen, Snyder and Shannahan have 24-40 record. From a General Management standpoint this team has more holes than Swiss Cheese and Allen is part of this disastrous regime. __________________ "The Redskins have always suffered from chronic organizational deformities under Snyder." -Jenkins

12-31-2013, 03:40 PM	#53
Schneed10 A Dude Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Newtown Square, PA Age: 45 Posts: 12,426	Re: Let's talk about the front office situation The notion that Allen is Snyder's puppet makes no sense. Shanahan made every decision, the only one Snyder got involved with was trading for RG3. I'd like to know who among us thought that was a mistake in 2012 when we made that deal, and who among us thought it was a mistake after his rookie year. The blame for RG3's injury and the subsequent shit-storm that ensued lies at the feet of Shanahan. And if you want to get up in arms about the owner having dinner with his QB, the coach needs to be able to handle that kind of thing because quite simply: who gives a flying eff. It's just f'ing dinner. __________________ God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.

12-31-2013, 03:42 PM	#55
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,233	Re: Let's talk about the front office situation Exactly. I mean how many people here are supervisors? Do you not have friendships with your employees because you don't want to upset everyone else? Not only that, by all accounts RG3 is a very likeable guy. If I'M RG3, I would think it was odd if the person writing my paycheck avoided me. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

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