Taylor, Moss Miss Redskins Workouts

celts32 · 04-07-2005, 11:30 AM

Moss not being there is very damaging to Ramsey's progress I think. ST should be there sure and he's a head case but I really don't see it affecting the season much. Moss not being there is a big problem. Frankly, the Redskins need full participation from everyone involved in that passing game.

TheMalcolmConnection · 04-07-2005, 11:31 AM

Moss especially if he wants the bucks of a #1 receiver.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 04-07-2005, 01:03 PM

People turned on Coles in a heartbeat....what do those people have to say about Moss?

Coles told friends he was going to "sit out" of team meetings, camp, etc. But Moss is...WTF? Sounds like Coles is more of a team guy than Moss.

TheMalcolmConnection · 04-07-2005, 01:07 PM

I'm starting to feel the same way. When Moss came in he was spouting all this rhetoric about how excited he was to get started, blah blah blah.

I'm not going to turn on him quite yet, I AM however, very disappointed.

firstdown · 04-07-2005, 01:08 PM

Come on, I'm surprised you guys have not figured this out. They are still celebrating Taylors birthday. LOL

sportscurmudgeon · 04-07-2005, 01:21 PM

Last year when I said that Sean Taylor was a meathead and it looked like he would be a "problem child", everyone here got their shorts in a knot because he was a "beast". Well, he cost the Skins a few games last year and was responsible for winning exactly none of them. Now he is showing what a team leader he is going to be. And now people here are upset with him. What took you all so long?

Folks, this is Sean Taylor. This is what he is and what he is going to be for the duration of his career in the NFL. The single best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. If you love him as a "beast" then you have to take him for the team leader that he is - which is to say he ain't much of one!

He - and Moss - have Drew Rosenhaus as their agent. People around here really don't like the Poston brothers but I suggest that all of you start keeping track of Rosenhaus because this guy is far more trouble than the Postons ever were or ever will be.

There used to be an agent for NFL players who was famous for having his clients hold out - - with or without contracts. He became such a pain in the ass that lots of teams would not deal with him or any players he represented. He had to leave the business because none of his clients could get any deals done. Rosenhaus looks to me like the person best suited to take over that role for tomorrow.

And just so everyone here gets it right, you spell it:

M E A T H E A D

offiss · 04-07-2005, 01:35 PM

Moss is showing me that he is not really interested in winning or becoming better, he just wants to do as little as possible and collect as much as possible, all I keep hearing from Jet fans around here is how he doesn't like to finish play's, he plays like he will do whatever it takes not to get hit or hurt, I would be very catious about locking this guy up long term, we may very well have to bite the bullet on this one if thats the case so be it.

As for Taylor, I was a big backer of his from day one, but as I continually see his nonesense he becomes more and more wearisome, I have to agree with SC, MEATHEAD! I don't know if I really would want to renegotiate his contract, he signed it, end of story let him honor his word, I could care less how under paid he is, there is a reason he continually misses meeting's and mini camps, if he want's to renegotiate then let him prove he's mature enough, and responsible enough to warrant that kind of investment!

CooleyAsCanBe · 04-07-2005, 02:24 PM

I don't think Taylor is a Rhodes Scholar or anyone I'd want as a role model for my kids, but what games did he cost the Redskins last year? And how many safeties do you expect to have "game winning" plays? I remember several plays where he stopped touchdowns, intercepted or batted-down long passes, and made the tackle on third downs to stop the other team's drive. He wasn't the best player in the league, but I was more than satisfied with his performance, especially as a rookie.

His off the field antics are sad, and he should grow up, but in the end they are being made out to be worse than they are. These are football players, we don't have to take them home to meet the folks.

SmootSmack · 04-07-2005, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by CooleyAsCanBe

I don't think Taylor is a Rhodes Scholar or anyone I'd want as a role model for my kids, but what games did he cost the Redskins last year? And how many safeties do you expect to have "game winning" plays? I remember several plays where he stopped touchdowns, intercepted or batted-down long passes, and made the tackle on third downs to stop the other team's drive. He wasn't the best player in the league, but I was more than satisfied with his performance, especially as a rookie.

His off the field antics are sad, and he should grow up, but in the end they are being made out to be worse than they are. These are football players, we don't have to take them home to meet the folks.

Was it Taylor who cost us the second Cowboys game? Either way, I agree with what you said. Let the kid grow as a player and as a person

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 04-07-2005, 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Last year when I said that Sean Taylor was a meathead and it looked like he would be a "problem child", everyone here got their shorts in a knot because he was a "beast". Well, he cost the Skins a few games last year and was responsible for winning exactly none of them. Now he is showing what a team leader he is going to be. And now people here are upset with him. What took you all so long?

Folks, this is Sean Taylor. This is what he is and what he is going to be for the duration of his career in the NFL. The single best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. If you love him as a "beast" then you have to take him for the team leader that he is - which is to say he ain't much of one!

He - and Moss - have Drew Rosenhaus as their agent. People around here really don't like the Poston brothers but I suggest that all of you start keeping track of Rosenhaus because this guy is far more trouble than the Postons ever were or ever will be.

There used to be an agent for NFL players who was famous for having his clients hold out - - with or without contracts. He became such a pain in the ass that lots of teams would not deal with him or any players he represented. He had to leave the business because none of his clients could get any deals done. Rosenhaus looks to me like the person best suited to take over that role for tomorrow.

And just so everyone here gets it right, you spell it:

M E A T H E A D

Rosenhaus and Snyder have a good relationship (since Snyder pays out big bucks for Rosenhaus' clients). I don't think Rosenhaus wants to ruin that relationship (the 'Skins have blackballed the Postons - see Kellen Winslow).

Taylor isn't a team leader and probably doens't want to be. That doesn't mean he isn't a beast. And what games did Taylor lose for us?

I don't think your assessment of Taylor is even in the ballpark - the guy is a baller and he will win plenty of games for us.

TheMalcolmConnection · 04-07-2005, 01:15 PM

Hahaha! I guess Moss is still hungover and just "acting" like he wants a new contract.

Sounds logical to me.

TheMalcolmConnection · 04-07-2005, 01:24 PM

I COMPLETELY and totally agree with you about Rosenhaus. The guy is a complete joke. I've started thinking that same thing recently, especially with how the Eagles are having problems all of a sudden.

TheMalcolmConnection · 04-07-2005, 01:39 PM

Just like I said before, if you do what you're supposed to do, Gibbs himself will go to bat for you.

I too, am worried about locking up Moss for the long-term. Let him sign the one-year, incentive-based deal.

TheMalcolmConnection · 04-07-2005, 02:25 PM

I completely agree with that. As I said in another post, it's not like we have Randy Moss here or anything...

Daseal · 04-07-2005, 02:36 PM

Some people argue that, but I don't believe that WR was his responsibility. He played a bit closer to Keyshawn than the other guy, but still almost made the play. He was a rookie, but he was covering the guy a lot of people thought the ball was going to. Instead they toss it to an undrafted rookie. He bit on Keyshawn, but in a lot of cases that's the right move.

04-07-2005, 11:31 AM	#2
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 44 Posts: 19,264	Re: Taylor, Moss Miss Redskins Workouts Moss especially if he wants the bucks of a #1 receiver. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

04-07-2005, 01:03 PM	#3
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 47 Posts: 8,317	Re: Taylor, Moss Miss Redskins Workouts People turned on Coles in a heartbeat....what do those people have to say about Moss? Coles told friends he was going to "sit out" of team meetings, camp, etc. But Moss is...WTF? Sounds like Coles is more of a team guy than Moss.

04-07-2005, 01:07 PM	#4
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 44 Posts: 19,264	Re: Taylor, Moss Miss Redskins Workouts I'm starting to feel the same way. When Moss came in he was spouting all this rhetoric about how excited he was to get started, blah blah blah. I'm not going to turn on him quite yet, I AM however, very disappointed. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

04-07-2005, 01:08 PM	#5
firstdown Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: chesapeake, va Age: 62 Posts: 15,817	Re: Taylor, Moss Miss Redskins Workouts Come on, I'm surprised you guys have not figured this out. They are still celebrating Taylors birthday. LOL

04-07-2005, 01:21 PM	#6
sportscurmudgeon Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,159	Re: Taylor, Moss Miss Redskins Workouts Last year when I said that Sean Taylor was a meathead and it looked like he would be a "problem child", everyone here got their shorts in a knot because he was a "beast". Well, he cost the Skins a few games last year and was responsible for winning exactly none of them. Now he is showing what a team leader he is going to be. And now people here are upset with him. What took you all so long? Folks, this is Sean Taylor. This is what he is and what he is going to be for the duration of his career in the NFL. The single best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. If you love him as a "beast" then you have to take him for the team leader that he is - which is to say he ain't much of one! He - and Moss - have Drew Rosenhaus as their agent. People around here really don't like the Poston brothers but I suggest that all of you start keeping track of Rosenhaus because this guy is far more trouble than the Postons ever were or ever will be. There used to be an agent for NFL players who was famous for having his clients hold out - - with or without contracts. He became such a pain in the ass that lots of teams would not deal with him or any players he represented. He had to leave the business because none of his clients could get any deals done. Rosenhaus looks to me like the person best suited to take over that role for tomorrow. And just so everyone here gets it right, you spell it: M E A T H E A D __________________ The Sports Curmudgeon www.sportscurmudgeon.com But don't get me wrong, I love sports...

04-07-2005, 11:30 AM	#1
celts32 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hackettstown NJ Age: 54 Posts: 2,665	Re: Taylor, Moss Miss Redskins Workouts Moss not being there is very damaging to Ramsey's progress I think. ST should be there sure and he's a head case but I really don't see it affecting the season much. Moss not being there is a big problem. Frankly, the Redskins need full participation from everyone involved in that passing game.

04-07-2005, 01:35 PM	#7
offiss Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: sparta, new jersey [ northern jersey ] Age: 62 Posts: 3,097	Re: Taylor, Moss Miss Redskins Workouts Moss is showing me that he is not really interested in winning or becoming better, he just wants to do as little as possible and collect as much as possible, all I keep hearing from Jet fans around here is how he doesn't like to finish play's, he plays like he will do whatever it takes not to get hit or hurt, I would be very catious about locking this guy up long term, we may very well have to bite the bullet on this one if thats the case so be it. As for Taylor, I was a big backer of his from day one, but as I continually see his nonesense he becomes more and more wearisome, I have to agree with SC, MEATHEAD! I don't know if I really would want to renegotiate his contract, he signed it, end of story let him honor his word, I could care less how under paid he is, there is a reason he continually misses meeting's and mini camps, if he want's to renegotiate then let him prove he's mature enough, and responsible enough to warrant that kind of investment!

04-07-2005, 02:24 PM	#8
CooleyAsCanBe Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Fairfax, VA Age: 49 Posts: 421	Re: Taylor, Moss Miss Redskins Workouts I don't think Taylor is a Rhodes Scholar or anyone I'd want as a role model for my kids, but what games did he cost the Redskins last year? And how many safeties do you expect to have "game winning" plays? I remember several plays where he stopped touchdowns, intercepted or batted-down long passes, and made the tackle on third downs to stop the other team's drive. He wasn't the best player in the league, but I was more than satisfied with his performance, especially as a rookie. His off the field antics are sad, and he should grow up, but in the end they are being made out to be worse than they are. These are football players, we don't have to take them home to meet the folks.

04-07-2005, 01:15 PM	#11
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 44 Posts: 19,264	Re: Taylor, Moss Miss Redskins Workouts Hahaha! I guess Moss is still hungover and just "acting" like he wants a new contract. Sounds logical to me. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

04-07-2005, 01:24 PM	#12
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 44 Posts: 19,264	Re: Taylor, Moss Miss Redskins Workouts I COMPLETELY and totally agree with you about Rosenhaus. The guy is a complete joke. I've started thinking that same thing recently, especially with how the Eagles are having problems all of a sudden. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

04-07-2005, 01:39 PM	#13
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 44 Posts: 19,264	Re: Taylor, Moss Miss Redskins Workouts Just like I said before, if you do what you're supposed to do, Gibbs himself will go to bat for you. I too, am worried about locking up Moss for the long-term. Let him sign the one-year, incentive-based deal. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

04-07-2005, 02:25 PM	#14
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 44 Posts: 19,264	Re: Taylor, Moss Miss Redskins Workouts I completely agree with that. As I said in another post, it's not like we have Randy Moss here or anything... __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

04-07-2005, 02:36 PM	#15
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 8,341	Re: Taylor, Moss Miss Redskins Workouts Some people argue that, but I don't believe that WR was his responsibility. He played a bit closer to Keyshawn than the other guy, but still almost made the play. He was a rookie, but he was covering the guy a lot of people thought the ball was going to. Instead they toss it to an undrafted rookie. He bit on Keyshawn, but in a lot of cases that's the right move. __________________ Best. Player. Available.

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