McCoy to Start Against Indy

[ethat001]

Originally Posted by Hail to the Redskins

I realize I'm the only person maybe, in the world, to say this... I think Cousins should be going in at this point.

It makes no sense, to me, to put McCoy in there now. I wanted him to stay in after the Dallas game, and I honestly believe we'd be 6-5 right now if he'd played the last 3 weeks...

But, again, here is where I'm on Crazy Island by myself...

I think that Cousins will be the one to be a Great quarterback for someone... and I hope it's us. Yes, he threw interceptions... and yes, once he did, he looked like a guy who freaked out that he made a mistake and got frantic and made other mistakes... but THAT.. to ME... looks like what young, talented quarterback looks like.

Remember that Cousins has started a total of 9 games in the NFL! I realize that a 3 INT game and a 4 INT game stand out... but in his 4 other games this season... 7 TD's to 2 INT's. Eli Manning just threw 5 in a game 2 weeks ago...

Against 2 of the absolute best defenses in the NFL that he had to face back-to-back weeks (Seattle & Arizona), he averaged more than 300 yards passing, 4 TD's to the 3 picks against 'zona.

He's the one that needs to finish being evaluated and not written off. Check these numbers of great QB's early in their career:

Elway - 25 TDs - 29 INTs in first 2 seasons
P. Manning - 100... yes 100 INTs in his first 5 seasons (that's 20 per season)
Farve - 19 TDs - 24 INTs in his SECOND FULL season
E. Manning - 17, 18, and 20 INTs first 3 full seasons (and just last year tossed 18 TDs to 27 INTs!)

My point is... If you have watched our games this year you had to see that Cousins fit balls into teeny tiny windows that McCoy and Griffin NEVER would. He MOVED this offense... period. The WRs got the ball! ... The tight ends got the ball...

And... check this out...
He threw 10 TDs in 5 games, which out him on pace for a 30+ TD season. Remember the last 'Skins QB to do that? Me either. It was done ONCE (31)...by Sonny Jorgensen.. in 1967.

To me, honestly... he looked exactly like a guy who knew this was his one shot in life to be an NFL starting QB (here or elsewhere) and once he made a mistake, he would get frantic to make up for it, and make another... People forget how much internal pressure must have been on this guy every week. He KNEW this was his one shot because he wasn't a first rounder. These other elite QBs struggled in their first 9 starts... but could relax, play through the dumb throws... but their talent was evident... to me... Cousins arm-talent is evident.

I truly think he could be a Farve or Eli Manning-type guy, who when he's on... with the weapons we have on offense.. could possibly get hot every year or so and win us a big one... while, in other years, make you want to throw a brick through your TV.

But either way, right now... HE'S the one that needs another shot... McCoy is not the future and we have to figure out who is...

Agree completely, great post. I loved Cousins, and hated his INTs. I think it's all mental / confidence, and getting rid of Griffin is part of giving Cousins confidence - no one else is on the bench. Our offense was potent with Cousins, and even after 1-2 INTs we were still in most games. He just took us out of it when he self-imploded. Whatever happens this year, I suspect he wins the job next year & we get to see a full season w Cousins.


AND - he can handle himself at a press conference.

[Counter-Tre]

Originally Posted by Hail to the Redskins

I realize I'm the only person maybe, in the world, to say this... I think Cousins should be going in at this point.

It makes no sense, to me, to put McCoy in there now. I wanted him to stay in after the Dallas game, and I honestly believe we'd be 6-5 right now if he'd played the last 3 weeks...

But, again, here is where I'm on Crazy Island by myself...

I think that Cousins will be the one to be a Great quarterback for someone... and I hope it's us. Yes, he threw interceptions... and yes, once he did, he looked like a guy who freaked out that he made a mistake and got frantic and made other mistakes... but THAT.. to ME... looks like what young, talented quarterback looks like.

Remember that Cousins has started a total of 9 games in the NFL! I realize that a 3 INT game and a 4 INT game stand out... but in his 4 other games this season... 7 TD's to 2 INT's. Eli Manning just threw 5 in a game 2 weeks ago...

Against 2 of the absolute best defenses in the NFL that he had to face back-to-back weeks (Seattle & Arizona), he averaged more than 300 yards passing, 4 TD's to the 3 picks against 'zona.

He's the one that needs to finish being evaluated and not written off. Check these numbers of great QB's early in their career:

Elway - 25 TDs - 29 INTs in first 2 seasons
P. Manning - 100... yes 100 INTs in his first 5 seasons (that's 20 per season)
Farve - 19 TDs - 24 INTs in his SECOND FULL season
E. Manning - 17, 18, and 20 INTs first 3 full seasons (and just last year tossed 18 TDs to 27 INTs!)

My point is... If you have watched our games this year you had to see that Cousins fit balls into teeny tiny windows that McCoy and Griffin NEVER would. He MOVED this offense... period. The WRs got the ball! ... The tight ends got the ball...

And... check this out...
He threw 10 TDs in 5 games, which out him on pace for a 30+ TD season. Remember the last 'Skins QB to do that? Me either. It was done ONCE (31)...by Sonny Jorgensen.. in 1967.

To me, honestly... he looked exactly like a guy who knew this was his one shot in life to be an NFL starting QB (here or elsewhere) and once he made a mistake, he would get frantic to make up for it, and make another... People forget how much internal pressure must have been on this guy every week. He KNEW this was his one shot because he wasn't a first rounder. These other elite QBs struggled in their first 9 starts... but could relax, play through the dumb throws... but their talent was evident... to me... Cousins arm-talent is evident.

I truly think he could be a Farve or Eli Manning-type guy, who when he's on... with the weapons we have on offense.. could possibly get hot every year or so and win us a big one... while, in other years, make you want to throw a brick through your TV.

But either way, right now... HE'S the one that needs another shot... McCoy is not the future and we have to figure out who is...

I'm on crazy island with you brother. Agree 100% with what you wrote.

[Daseal]

The OL excuse is greatly exagurated. Griffin at times had immediate pressure, and made rushed mistakes. I also saw him hold the ball multiple times for 4-6 seconds. In the NFL, that's all you get even with a good line. The line was giving AlfMo some running room. Our line won't be confused for the top half of the league, but they're more than capable of giving him time to throw to his wide open WRs he's missing. RG3 is done. Time to give it up.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by Daseal

The OL excuse is greatly exagurated. Griffin at times had immediate pressure, and made rushed mistakes. I also saw him hold the ball multiple times for 4-6 seconds. In the NFL, that's all you get even with a good line. The line was giving AlfMo some running room. Our line won't be confused for the top half of the league, but they're more than capable of giving him time to throw to his wide open WRs he's missing. RG3 is done. Time to give it up.

I know don't know if Cooley's film breakdown is the gospel or not but it is the only one I've heard that explains his conclusions with plays from the game.

Cooley said 4 of the 6 sacks against San Fran were on the qb and 2 were on the line.

I agree the line is an easy target when the qb goes down but the criticism isn't always fair.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

I know don't know if Cooley's film breakdown is the gospel or not but it is the only one I've heard that explains his conclusions with plays from the game.

Cooley said 4 of the 6 sacks against San Fran were on the qb and 2 were on the line.

I agree the line is an easy target when the qb goes down but the criticism isn't always fair.

There's definitely some people in denial here that the O-line may not be as awful as everyone thinks. There are obvious issues that need to be addressed during the off-season, (i.e Polumbus, Chester) but I think it's easier for people to come to terms with, "we have no depth at O-line and everyone sucks" than it is to deal with "we screwed ourselves to make a deal for a franchise QB who may or may not be a bust"

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

I know don't know if Cooley's film breakdown is the gospel or not but it is the only one I've heard that explains his conclusions with plays from the game.

Cooley said 4 of the 6 sacks against San Fran were on the qb and 2 were on the line.

I agree the line is an easy target when the qb goes down but the criticism isn't always fair.

Someone posted stats that showed that Robert was sacked at a rate that was about four times greater than the sack rates of the other two QB's. That would seem to add weight to your argument.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

I know don't know if Cooley's film breakdown is the gospel or not but it is the only one I've heard that explains his conclusions with plays from the game.

Cooley said 4 of the 6 sacks against San Fran were on the qb and 2 were on the line.

I agree the line is an easy target when the qb goes down but the criticism isn't always fair.

He's not the only one. Just about everyone that breaks down the film (Cosell and um, RG3's own coaches the last 2 years) can plainly see that he is responsible for most of the sacks he takes. And when teams know you can't read Defenses and hold onto the ball too long, they just ramp up the pressure even more. Good QBs punish the blitz and therefore don't get blitzed as much. See also: Jason Campbell and Todd Collins. Same O-line looked totally different blocking for both QBs.

[Chico23231]

Don't like it one bit, kids gotta play. I guess gruden wants to get rg3 pissed and maybe motivated

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Don't like it one bit, kids gotta play. I guess gruden wants to get rg3 pissed and maybe motivated

I think that is a good guess. Or maybe Gruden doesn't want him to hurt his confidence. Or maybe both.

[jdlea]

Cool...I was really hoping we'd be here again

[irish]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Don't like it one bit, kids gotta play. I guess gruden wants to get rg3 pissed and maybe motivated

If this is what has to be done to get RG motivated then he's not worth the effort.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Don't like it one bit, kids gotta play. I guess gruden wants to get rg3 pissed and maybe motivated

I was under the impression that Gruden didn't feel Robert was ready to play when he came back and then all of a sudden poof Robert was playing. Then Gruden sticks with him while he struggles to play at a basic level. My guess is that Gruden knows what he has at this juncture with all three QBs and is done evaluating what Robert can bring to the table and is ready to start evaluating Colt. If Gruden's system allows for greater continuity within the offense with someone else under center I am all for it.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

I was under the impression that Gruden didn't feel Robert was ready to play when he came back and then all of a sudden poof Robert was playing. Then Gruden sticks with him while he struggles to play at a basic level. My guess is that Gruden knows what he has at this juncture with all three QBs and is done evaluating what Robert can bring to the table and is ready to start evaluating Colt. If Gruden's system allows for greater continuity within the offense with someone else under center I am all for it.

Too early to pull him IMO. Also think possibly gruden is trying to shield him from a utter embarrassment of luck vs rg3 this weekend.

Rg3 is bottomed out, gonna get interesting.

One thing is gruden must be popular in the lockerroom because he is not afraid to put the team ahead of the player. He earning some respect in the lockerroom. Now he just needs to cut the dry snitching in the offseason.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Don't like it one bit, kids gotta play. I guess gruden wants to get rg3 pissed and maybe motivated

I don't think that it has anything to do with motivation. Gruden is done with Griffin. The very public humbling is just a much needed side effect. The offseason narrative is that Griffin is a hard worker, but is he working on the right things? I sense that he works hard in the gym, but he doesn't put in nearly enough work in the classroom to master the WCO. He would be best served for now as a 3rd string, long term project, who has to look in the mirror, and realize that his shortcomings in the mental side of quarterbacking are holding him back.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Don't like it one bit, kids gotta play. I guess gruden wants to get rg3 pissed and maybe motivated

I think Gruden wants to win a game. That simple. I dont think there are any ulterior motives whatsoever. Gruden has seen enough of RG-3 imo.


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