Bruce Allen FINALLY speaks....at the Senior Bowl

Chico23231 · 01-24-2019, 04:02 PM

The only good talent we brought in was Cousins...the guy Shanny and Son wanted. The guy Bruce/Dan hated. The one Bruce refused to signed to a deal at 19 mil per...the one who Bruce never was going to extend long term and refused to trade when we had the chance...the one who actually performed well...check the stats.

McNabb sucked, RG3 sucked, Nate Sudfuck sucked, and

Alex Smith....who played at avg level at best, certainly not worth the trade and certainly not what he was paid. Alex was propped up by a great RB and playmakers...KC got rid of him and woulda gone to the SB if it wasn't for Dee Ford. He wasn't worth a shit to KC. His stats and performance this year was a disappointment. His QBR was terrible

Remember all the trades and wasted money with these guys. We gave up much more than we every got with performance...and that cant be argued.

skinsfaninok · 01-24-2019, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Chico23231

The only good talent we brought in was Cousins...the guy Shanny and Son wanted. The guy Bruce/Dan hated. The one Bruce refused to signed to a deal at 19 mil per...the one who Bruce never was going to extend long term and refused to trade when we had the chance...the one who actually performed well...check the stats.

McNabb sucked, RG3 sucked, Nate Sudfuck sucked, and

Alex Smith....who played at avg level at best, certainly not worth the trade and certainly not what he was paid. Alex was propped up by a great RB and playmakers...KC got rid of him and woulda gone to the SB if it wasn't for Dee Ford. He wasn't worth a shit to KC. His stats and performance this year was a disappointment. His QBR was terrible

Remember all the trades and wasted money with these guys. We gave up much more than we every got with performance...and that cant be argued.

Historically the Redskins are not good at QB Talent Evaluations, Rypien was ok and Joe T was good but other than that Kirk Cousins was on pace to being the greatest Redskins QB ever lol.

Browns
Bears
Jets (besides Namath)
Redskins

That's about as bad as it gets with QB's historically.

skinsfaninok · 01-24-2019, 04:51 PM

Cousins Graded out about the same as he always does, around 70. It's average in the NFL.

A brief write up from our team at PFF

Cousins' season can be summed up much like his previous years in
Washington: He can move the offense with well-designed passing concepts
that keep him in rhythm in games where his offense has the upper hand,but
he fails to make the tough plays required to get the job done in key games and
moments. There was some really good to Cousins'game,as he was under
duress as much as any QB in the NFL yet continued to find completions,but
the missing factors and lack of extending and creating plays on his own were
a detriment to the offense as the season wore on.

Meks · 01-24-2019, 04:57 PM

Yeah haven't seen much talent come in under Bruce at the qb position.... At all. Have to agree with Chico there. And Nate sudfled is not a viable answer at all, no.

Place is a shit show, I don't know if it will ever stop.

sandtrapjack · 01-24-2019, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Historically the Redskins are not good at QB Talent Evaluations, Rypien was ok and Joe T was good but other than that Kirk Cousins was on pace to being the greatest Redskins QB ever lol.

Browns
Bears
Jets (besides Namath)
Redskins

That's about as bad as it gets with QB's historically.

IDK, I always thought Doug Williams was a good QB for the Skins.

rocnrik · 01-24-2019, 05:43 PM

Yea I saw how good Cousins was when surrounded by a good team and coaches ... oh wait he put up great stats and missed playoffs .. that turnover thingy he has is still with him.. the jury is still out about Cousins as far as winning BIG games..! For the record I don’t agree how his situation was handled here but I’m not sold he was ever going to be the guy to carry this team on his back..

BigHairedAristocrat · 01-24-2019, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by rocnrik

Yea I saw how good Cousins was when surrounded by a good team and coaches ... oh wait he put up great stats and missed playoffs .. that turnover thingy he has is still with him.. the jury is still out about Cousins as far as winning BIG games..! For the record I don’t agree how his situation was handled here but I’m not sold he was ever going to be the guy to carry this team on his back..

being a good QB doesn't mean being able to carry a team on their back. There are only a couple of guys in the NFL which can do that consistently. Guys like that are rare. If that's what you're standard is, youre always going to be disappointed. Cousins was, and still is, in the top half of starting QBs in the league. He's not ELITE. Hes not GREAT. But he is GOOD.

rocnrik · 01-24-2019, 09:54 PM

I agree with you ! However he didn’t want good QB money he wanted to be paid like an elite QB .. what sucks is we could have had him earlier for reasonable money .. but the powers that be Screwed all that up. And here we are with no QB for the future..

BaltimoreSkins · 01-24-2019, 10:09 PM

He got paid what he did because that is the going rate for qbs that can do what they do when they get to free agency. It all goes back to FO mismanagement

skinsfaninok · 01-25-2019, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

IDK, I always thought Doug Williams was a good QB for the Skins.

Yeah but he wasn't drafted by the skins

Buffalo Bob · 01-25-2019, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

IDK, I always thought Doug Williams was a good QB for the Skins.

He was a back up in Washington. His claim to fame is coming off the bench to help blow out Denver 42-10 in the 1987 Super Bowl while putting up big numbers. You could kind of call him a one hit wonder, that one game endears him to a lot of Redskin fans.
The rest of his career was below average compared to his peers.

skinsfaninok · 01-25-2019, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Buffalo Bob

He was a back up in Washington. His claim to fame is coming off the bench to help blow out Denver 42-10 in the 1987 Super Bowl while putting up big numbers. You could kind of call him a one hit wonder, that one game endears him to a lot of Redskin fans.
The rest of his career was below average compared to his peers.

He was basically Nick Foles but not as good

sevier2 · 01-25-2019, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

He got paid what he did because that is the going rate for qbs that can do what they do when they get to free agency. It all goes back to FO mismanagement

Edit: NVM. I don't wanna keep going down the Cousins road.

Kope · 01-25-2019, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Yeah but he wasn't drafted by the skins

Sammy Baugh is the only franchise QB the skins have drafted. That was a while ago....

Ruhskins · 01-25-2019, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by sevier2

Edit: NVM. I don't wanna keep going down the Cousins road.

This is probably for the best, but I still can't believe some of the arguments here about that. But moving on.

01-24-2019, 04:02 PM	#46
Chico23231 Warpath Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 34,608	Re: Bruce Allen FINALLY speaks....at the Senior Bowl The only good talent we brought in was Cousins...the guy Shanny and Son wanted. The guy Bruce/Dan hated. The one Bruce refused to signed to a deal at 19 mil per...the one who Bruce never was going to extend long term and refused to trade when we had the chance...the one who actually performed well...check the stats. McNabb sucked, RG3 sucked, Nate Sudfuck sucked, and Alex Smith....who played at avg level at best, certainly not worth the trade and certainly not what he was paid. Alex was propped up by a great RB and playmakers...KC got rid of him and woulda gone to the SB if it wasn't for Dee Ford. He wasn't worth a shit to KC. His stats and performance this year was a disappointment. His QBR was terrible Remember all the trades and wasted money with these guys. We gave up much more than we every got with performance...and that cant be argued. __________________ My pronouns: King/Your ruler He Gets Us

01-24-2019, 04:51 PM	#48
skinsfaninok Warpath Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UNITED STATES Age: 38 Posts: 36,149	Re: Bruce Allen FINALLY speaks....at the Senior Bowl Cousins Graded out about the same as he always does, around 70. It's average in the NFL. A brief write up from our team at PFF Cousins' season can be summed up much like his previous years in Washington: He can move the offense with well-designed passing concepts that keep him in rhythm in games where his offense has the upper hand,but he fails to make the tough plays required to get the job done in key games and moments. There was some really good to Cousins'game,as he was under duress as much as any QB in the NFL yet continued to find completions,but the missing factors and lack of extending and creating plays on his own were a detriment to the offense as the season wore on. __________________ “Mediocre people don’t like high achievers, and high achievers don’t like mediocre people.” ― Nick Saban

01-24-2019, 04:57 PM	#49
Meks Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: South Jersey Age: 39 Posts: 5,688	Re: Bruce Allen FINALLY speaks....at the Senior Bowl Yeah haven't seen much talent come in under Bruce at the qb position.... At all. Have to agree with Chico there. And Nate sudfled is not a viable answer at all, no. Place is a shit show, I don't know if it will ever stop. __________________ R.I.P #21SEAN TAYLOR

01-24-2019, 05:43 PM	#51
rocnrik Playmaker Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 2,746	Re: Bruce Allen FINALLY speaks....at the Senior Bowl Yea I saw how good Cousins was when surrounded by a good team and coaches ... oh wait he put up great stats and missed playoffs .. that turnover thingy he has is still with him.. the jury is still out about Cousins as far as winning BIG games..! For the record I don’t agree how his situation was handled here but I’m not sold he was ever going to be the guy to carry this team on his back..

01-24-2019, 09:54 PM	#53
rocnrik Playmaker Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 2,746	Re: Bruce Allen FINALLY speaks....at the Senior Bowl I agree with you ! However he didn’t want good QB money he wanted to be paid like an elite QB .. what sucks is we could have had him earlier for reasonable money .. but the powers that be Screwed all that up. And here we are with no QB for the future..

01-24-2019, 10:09 PM	#54
BaltimoreSkins Pro Bowl Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Parkton, MD Posts: 5,758	Re: Bruce Allen FINALLY speaks....at the Senior Bowl He got paid what he did because that is the going rate for qbs that can do what they do when they get to free agency. It all goes back to FO mismanagement

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