Do you trust Gibbs?

[skinsfanthru&thru]

Gibbs still hasn't given me adamant proof to not trust his judgement and no matter what, with what he has done for our franchise, I definitely will not ever trash and disrespect the man like a couple others both here and in the press seem to be doing.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by That Guy

man, you have GOT to stop jrocx. Every post i've read you've been insulting people, telling them they're dumb, they're worth less than shit, they don't know football, they're fairweather fans, to go away, to follow blindly, to accept your view or to lock threads becaue people disagree with you.

STOP BEING A F**CKING TROLL.

either learn to support your views with logic or state them without being pointlessly offensive or just don't say anything at all, please.

Thank's TG, saved me some typing.

[STPainmaker]

I don't know what everyone is soiling themselves over. Do I trust Gibbs or don't I??? This is bull shit, coaches bench people every year, changes are made Gibbs has bitch slapped other guys right off the team unpopularly in the past. Coaches take players who are for the most part equal and dump one guy and keep another. I mean Ramsey was at best, not adequate on this team, we were all holding out for him to start using both his visual cortex and his motor functioning center in his brain at the same time.

I like Ramsey but do I not trust the guy who coaches our team for telling him he can't chronically turn the ball over. I mean he obviously sees something in our terd, retiree, rubber armed, jack off that he likes more than our bazooka armed, wet dream. If Joe "3 super bowl champ wins" Gibbs who won three super bowls with qb's who had transient success in the NFL can't muster the faith to play Ramsey. Who should I be suspect of the Hall of Fame coach who has done nothing but win and succeed at everything he's done since being an assistant coach or the QB who has proven nothing, absolutely nothing in his career.

???

[Longtimefan]

There can be only one point of view here and it's non-negotionable. There is no way I will ever mistrust or doubt the best coach the Redskins have ever had, and a coach that has without a doubt forgotten more football than most of us will ever know. It seems so ironic as I look back to most of the posts on this forum just as little as eighteen months ago when JG made the decesion to return and coach the Redskins and see how different they looked then as opposed to now.

So often we speak of how we are blasted and criticized by the media and then I look to how critical and abrasive we can be towards our own and I can say no wonder. Eighteen months ago there was not a crumb of negative relative to the second coming of coach Gibbs. Everything was positive and everyone was convinced we were well on our way to stardome once again. I have been around long enough to know "Rome was not built in a day" and as great a coach as Gibbs is I also knew it was going to take a little time to right the ship. Granted he "may" have made a couple unpopular decisions that some of us may not have agreed with, but he made them and stuck by them. I say "may" because the jury is still out on Brunell, but I feel a few more games will shed a clearer picture of where we will go with him. I'm convinced that all this negative talk about Gibbs is completely unjustifiable, espically all the negatives in reference to his latest decision. When it comes to certain players on our team and (espically the favorite ones) we sometimes seem like Patriots saddled with an undying faith and belief we don't even understand the meaning of ourselves. When they are met with tough decesions that are not favorable to us we are bound to have differences in opinions, but I don't think we should allow those differences to destroy the love and faith we all should have for the greatest coach the Redskins organization has ever had.

[illdefined]

from the washington post:

"Brunell said yesterday that the injury was not a factor to his play last season, and that he didn't undergo any rehabilitation.

Brunell, who turns 35 on Saturday, dismissed the notion that his arm is stronger than last year."

Gibbs wasn't truthful about giving Ramsey 'every opportunity' and isn't being truthful about Brunell's 'injury'. i think the poll should be changed to do you have FAITH in Gibbs, because TRUSTING him these days should be hard for anyone.

[LadyT]

Originally Posted by offiss

I voted no, I don't believe he honored his word in giving [what everyone knew he said] Ramsey the starters job, I believe he paid lip service to him all the while looking for any excuse to get the teachers pet back on the field, if Brunell was doing something spectacular last year, or this, it would be another story, but he hasen't, what was so great about his preseason? Everyone looks at it being great, comparitivly to what he did last year, yes, which was nothing.

Did Gibbs make Ramsey his starter? Yes. Did he back him like other QB's he's had? Absolutly not! Gibbs himself has stated in the past that perhaps his loyalty to his starters may be a little extreme, well not in Patricks case, which tells me he really in his heart did not keep his word, all he did is pay lip service to buy Brunell some time and let the memory of one of the worst QB performances and rating's through the first 9 games in NFL history soften a bit to get his boy back on the field and justify a 42 million dollar blunder which is his fault, and his fault alone!

Wow, tough words, but I can't say I really disagree with them. I've been very troubled with how Gibbs has handled the entire QB issue for the Skins ever since he returned as coach. I can't recall that he has ever really praised any of Ramsey's efforts. But it seems like all Brunell has to do is smile and Gibbs is effusive in his praise. I just don't get it, because Brunell has done NOTHING to deserve that level of confidence since he's been here.

I am just so disgusted that the Skins are, once again, embroiled in controversy and so early in the season. It was, IMO, totally unnecessary and it was Gibbs' botched handling of the QBs that has brought this all on. Can't be good for the team to have this major distraction right before Dallas.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by illdefined

from the washington post:

"Brunell said yesterday that the injury was not a factor to his play last season, and that he didn't undergo any rehabilitation.

Brunell, who turns 35 on Saturday, dismissed the notion that his arm is stronger than last year."

Gibbs wasn't truthful about giving Ramsey 'every opportunity' and isn't being truthful about Brunell's 'injury'. i think the poll should be changed to do you have FAITH in Gibbs, because TRUSTING him these days should be hard for anyone.

You're looking at this from an outsider's point of view. Gibbs never gives much to the media and I'm sure he encourages his players and coaches to do the same.

Brunell doesn't want to make excuses for his poor play last year and frankly who wants to hear it.

The proof is on the field. Brunell's passes have more zip & he's a heck of a lot more accurate. Something is different, whether he admits it or not it's obvious something changed from last year.

[jbcjr14]

I have been thinking about this again, yet another night....there really isn't a QB controversy. Gibbs made a change and that's it. Its US and the media that think its a controversy. I have not heard anyone from within the organization that has said anything about this move. Usually when there is turmoil, you start to hear reports from "anonymous" players voicing there is a problem. This HAS NOT happened. There is NO controversy and the Skins will move on regardless of who is playing QB.

So there, these threads have become meaningless...LOL.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by LadyT

Can't be good for the team to have this major distraction right before Dallas.

However, this could be like last year when there was all that internal strife among the Giants because of practice start times (or something like that) and we were all like "This will be a cakewalk, the Giants are spending too much time beating each other. They can't beat us"

Well, wouldn't it you know it. They could and did

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by jbcjr14

I have been thinking about this again, yet another night....there really isn't a QB controversy. Gibbs made a change and that's it. Its US and the media that think its a controversy. I have not heard anyone from within the organization that has said anything about this move. Usually when there is turmoil, you start to hear reports from "anonymous" players voicing there is a problem. This HAS NOT happened. There is NO controversy and the Skins will move on regardless of who is playing QB.

So there, these threads have become meaningless...LOL.

not really, It is gibbs call, and the team has been great at towing the company line, but fans are allowed to voice that they're unhappy with the move, whether it changes anything or not.

but your right its not really a controversy as much as an outrage of sorts

[ladyfan06]

Do I trust Joe Gibbs?.....I am in love with the guy for goodness sakes! He has my support full throttle when any decision he makes. That is what being a FAN is all about supporting your team and their decisions, good or bad.

[LadyT]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

However, this could be like last year when there was all that internal strife among the Giants because of practice start times (or something like that) and we were all like "This will be a cakewalk, the Giants are spending too much time beating each other. They can't beat us"

Well, wouldn't it you know it. They could and did

Forgot about that, you're right. Maybe the team can use all of this as a rallying point (as if they should need one against the hated Cowboys)!

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by LadyT

Forgot about that, you're right. Maybe the team can use all of this as a rallying point (as if they should need one against the hated Cowboys)!

See that? We agree on something!

[EternalEnigma21]

I had to vote yes. I do trust him from my own standpoint as a fan. I trust he makes decisions based on what he feels is best for the team, and that's what he's there to do. If I were Ramsey would I trust Gibbs... nope. If I were anyone else would I.... yup. Brunell and Campbell are Gibbs's QBs. Ramsey was Snyder & Cerrato's guy. I like Ramsey, and at the end of last year I thought he was going to come out of his slump and start developing into a good QB. It pained me to see what was happening and I would've given him every excuse in the world to fail. Thats why Im not the coach of the Washington Redskins.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by ladyfan06

Do I trust Joe Gibbs?.....I am in love with the guy for goodness sakes! He has my support full throttle when any decision he makes. That is what being a FAN is all about supporting your team and their decisions, good or bad.

I agree with you there to a certain extent. We had a conversation here a while ago about the difference between being a hardcore fan and a fanatic. Most people think that the word fan truly came from fanatic.

The only different between the two is the lack of reason.

Like you, Gibbs and company have my backing and support of the Brunell move even though I don't personally approve.

However, if Gibbs decided that doing an entire roster overhaul mid-season, I might have to start questioning his motives. It's one thing to follow a team and another thing to BLINDLY follow a team. I think that most of us here are the former (and it seems like you are too). I'm basically just wondering what you would think if Gibbs decided that our WRs were terrible and we needed to release them now and sign some practice squadders.