Ramsey and McCants

MTK · 09-15-2005, 05:05 PM

You're acting like Vermeil just stumbled across Warner and that was instantly his saving grace.

He's won a game or two since moving on to KC, seems to me he knows what he's doing.

offiss · 09-15-2005, 05:09 PM

The biggest thing Vermeil found was Mike Martz, although he can leave you scratching your head as a head coach he was the cog that made that offense go, but he did hire him so he new something.

celts32 · 09-15-2005, 05:40 PM

I find it amazing that so many people outside the Redskins organization think they no better who should start for the Redskins than Joe Gibbs does. I know this is the kind of second guessing that fans do, but when you stop and think about it it's really pretty silly. Joe Gibbs is around Ramsey every single day...he puts way more into his decisions than just the things that we are able to see. I just can't believe that all that Gibbs has accomplished for the Washington Redskins has brought him such a small amount of leeway. Joe Gibbs is litterally the Knute Rockne or Vince Lombardi of the Redskins...just about every significant win this franchies has ever had was under his watch yet after only 17 games he is being thrown under the bus over the benching of a QB that has shown only minimal improvement in 3 years. Honestly, I thought Redskins fans were better than this.

That Guy · 09-15-2005, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by celts32

I find it amazing that so many people outside the Redskins organization think they no better who should start for the Redskins than Joe Gibbs does. I know this is the kind of second guessing that fans do, but when you stop and think about it it's really pretty silly. Joe Gibbs is around Ramsey every single day...he puts way more into his decisions than just the things that we are able to see. I just can't believe that all that Gibbs has accomplished for the Washington Redskins has brought him such a small amount of leeway. Joe Gibbs is litterally the Knute Rockne or Vince Lombardi of the Redskins...just about every significant win this franchies has ever had was under his watch yet after only 17 games he is being thrown under the bus over the benching of a QB that has shown only minimal improvement in 3 years. Honestly, I thought Redskins fans were better than this.

so no one should ever talk about anything because its impossible for gibbs to ever be wrong? Every else doen't know what they're talking about, but somehow you do?

This thread has gone soo far off topic now

the downgrade from brunell to ramsey is minor, I personally think its a downgrade, but at this point can we just see what happens?

Longtimefan · 09-15-2005, 06:45 PM

Man I sure do agree with you. You know what? all those so called fans who booed Brunell last year was booing Ramsey in the pre-season when he was looking like crap. Every head coach in the history of the NFL has gone through what Gibbs is going through now, and you can best beleive he knows this. When the starting QB is going bad they want the back-up, When the back-up goes bad they want the starter back. So, it's a viciouus cycle in this league, you're only as good as your last play. If, and it's a "big if" Brunell starts the next few games and has success they'll be cheering him again. It's just the nature of the beast.

jgalecpa · 09-15-2005, 08:22 PM

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celts32 · 09-15-2005, 10:09 PM

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so no one should ever talk about anything because its impossible for gibbs to ever be wrong? Every else doen't know what they're talking about, but somehow you do?

This thread has gone soo far off topic now

the downgrade from brunell to ramsey is minor, I personally think its a downgrade, but at this point can we just see what happens?

I personally don't know anymore than anyone else on this website and I was not saying I do, but my point is that Joe Gibbs does know more.

I hope you don't take this the wrong way but when Joe Gibbs was in his heyday you were much to young to have any emotional attachment to him. I grew up loving Joe Gibbs. I think that is the major difference of opinion on this website when it comes to gibbs. The members in their 30's or older who remember the good days are much more patient with the current Gibbs era, whereas the fans in thier 20's have no emotional attachment to Gibbs and just want results imediately. I am not saying that's necessarily wrong either. I just personally believe that Gibbs is going to turn this around eventually and I am not going to throw him under the bus over the benching of one average player for another.

skinsguy · 09-15-2005, 10:15 PM

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I personally don't know anymore than anyone else on this website and I was not saying I do, but my point is that Joe Gibbs does know more.

I hope you don't take this the wrong way but when Joe Gibbs was in his heyday you were much to young to have any emotional attachment to him. I grew up loving Joe Gibbs. I think that is the major difference of opinion on this website when it comes to gibbs. The members in their 30's or older who remember the good days are much more patient with the current Gibbs era, whereas the fans in thier 20's have no emotional attachment to Gibbs and just want results imediately. I am not saying that's necessarily wrong either. I just personally believe that Gibbs is going to turn this around eventually and I am not going to throw him under the bus over the benching of one average player for another.

I pretty much agree with that, although I understand there are a few exceptions to that rule. Overall, I do believe the majority of those 30 and older have more of an attachment to Gibbs than those 20 and under...again with exceptions to that rule. Ramsey fans want Ramsey to succeed more than anything else, Gibbs fans want Gibbs to succeed as well. Hopefully, our "attachments" to coaches or players won't let us forget the fact that our main goal should be for our team to win football games..regardless as to who the players are and who the coaches are.

jgalecpa · 09-15-2005, 10:23 PM

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I personally don't know anymore than anyone else on this website and I was not saying I do, but my point is that Joe Gibbs does know more.

I agree.

People kept talking about PR vs MBand kept mentioning PR won more games last year than MB. Till it was pointed out they both won -3-.

If I'm not mistaken, Three is also number of Superbowls won by coach gibbs.

Joe has more wins under his belt than Games PR is likely to ever play in.

I know what I don't know.

I know I don't know 1/100th as much as Gibbs does about football.

He also knows a heck of a lot about people management than I do. Look what he did with his Nascar team.

I'm MORE than willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on this one.

STPainmaker · 09-15-2005, 10:32 PM

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I agree.

People kept talking about PR vs MBand kept mentioning PR won more games last year than MB. Till it was pointed out they both won -3-.

If I'm not mistaken, Three is also number of Superbowls won by coach gibbs.

Joe has more wins under his belt than Games PR is likely to ever play in.

I know what I don't know.

I know I don't know 1/100th as much as Gibbs does about football.

He also knows a heck of a lot about people management than I do. Look what he did with his Nascar team.

I'm MORE than willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on this one.

I've said it 10 times since the "switch" but Gibbs is the best thing we got, and he has won championships with relatively untalented QB's. QB's who couldn't hack it elsewhere now should I be questioning Gibbs or Ramsey??? He is so unimpressed with this guy right now he turned to ol Lefty McPickoff this has to mean something, right???

ladyfan06 · 09-16-2005, 10:21 AM

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Top-Skin-K · 09-16-2005, 12:15 PM

I personally liked Ramsey because he at times looks like he can be unstoppable if he was consistant. You can see the up side to Ramsey, he just has to put it all together. D-Mac was good but just never tried very hard in practice and putting in extra work. I like the Brunell move though, we can't afford the TO's. Ramsey if you learn to throw the ball away when nothing is there and move in the pocket just a little better. You can be a beast. But will HE????????

09-15-2005, 05:05 PM	#46
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,568	Re: Ramsey and McCants You're acting like Vermeil just stumbled across Warner and that was instantly his saving grace. He's won a game or two since moving on to KC, seems to me he knows what he's doing. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

09-15-2005, 05:09 PM	#47
offiss Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: sparta, new jersey [ northern jersey ] Age: 60 Posts: 3,097	Re: Ramsey and McCants The biggest thing Vermeil found was Mike Martz, although he can leave you scratching your head as a head coach he was the cog that made that offense go, but he did hire him so he new something.

09-15-2005, 05:40 PM	#48
celts32 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hackettstown NJ Age: 53 Posts: 2,665	Re: Ramsey and McCants I find it amazing that so many people outside the Redskins organization think they no better who should start for the Redskins than Joe Gibbs does. I know this is the kind of second guessing that fans do, but when you stop and think about it it's really pretty silly. Joe Gibbs is around Ramsey every single day...he puts way more into his decisions than just the things that we are able to see. I just can't believe that all that Gibbs has accomplished for the Washington Redskins has brought him such a small amount of leeway. Joe Gibbs is litterally the Knute Rockne or Vince Lombardi of the Redskins...just about every significant win this franchies has ever had was under his watch yet after only 17 games he is being thrown under the bus over the benching of a QB that has shown only minimal improvement in 3 years. Honestly, I thought Redskins fans were better than this. __________________ Section 116 Row 19 “Goal line, goal line. I-left, tight wing, 70 chip on white.” www.facebook.com/HackettstownBeerClub

09-15-2005, 06:45 PM	#50
Longtimefan Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Germantown, Md. Posts: 4,832	Re: Ramsey and McCants Man I sure do agree with you. You know what? all those so called fans who booed Brunell last year was booing Ramsey in the pre-season when he was looking like crap. Every head coach in the history of the NFL has gone through what Gibbs is going through now, and you can best beleive he knows this. When the starting QB is going bad they want the back-up, When the back-up goes bad they want the starter back. So, it's a viciouus cycle in this league, you're only as good as your last play. If, and it's a "big if" Brunell starts the next few games and has success they'll be cheering him again. It's just the nature of the beast.

09-16-2005, 12:15 PM	#59
Top-Skin-K Camp Scrub Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 13	Re: Ramsey and McCants I personally liked Ramsey because he at times looks like he can be unstoppable if he was consistant. You can see the up side to Ramsey, he just has to put it all together. D-Mac was good but just never tried very hard in practice and putting in extra work. I like the Brunell move though, we can't afford the TO's. Ramsey if you learn to throw the ball away when nothing is there and move in the pocket just a little better. You can be a beast. But will HE????????

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