NFL taking away Redskins cap space

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

DAN SNYDER's LAWYER: Your honor, the case is quite simple. In violation of the relevant CBA, Mr. Snyder's business partners attempted to create an agreement to limit Mr. Snyder's ability to gain a competitive advantage during the uncapped year. Mr. Snyder refused to cooperate in the secret and illegal agreement. As a result, Mr. Snyder's business partners have now imposed a penalty upon him that restricts his ability to improve his product through the use of the contractually permitted and bargained for free agency process.

At its heart, the "Agreement" was a collusive attempt by Mr. Snyder's partners to lessen the negative consequences of Mr. Snyder and his business partners' decision to terminate the prior CBA. The evidence of the Agreement is contained in the reason given for the recently imposed sanction - Mr. Snyder is being punished for attempting to gain a "competitive advantage" during the uncapped year. The illegality of the Agreement is self evident and, further, the fact that Mr. Snyder's business partners knew of its illegality is the demonstrated by the fact that they hid the Agreement's existence from the NFLPA during the labor negotiation process.

If permitted to stand, the sanction imposed will restrict Mr. Snyder's ability to improve his product. As a result, Mr. Snyder will suffer lost revenues and, at a minimum, be placed in a position of relative contractual inequality with his business partners.

Simply put, your Honor, if permitted to stand, this sanction allows Mr. Snyder's business partners to benefit from their illegal, secret, collusive agreement by gaining a competitive advantage over Mr. Snyder. Thus, in an attempt to enforce their illegal backroom deal, Mr. Snyder's business partners seek to gain the very advantage that they would deny Mr. Snyder despite the fact that Mr. Snyder violated no rules and, in fact, was acting fully within the letter and spirit of the governing CBA.

Mr. Snyder seeks damages by way of specific performance in the removal of the sanction and the award of additional draft choices to compensate for the lost competitive equality. Further, he seeks a bazillion, gazillion dollars from his business partners just to rub some salt in it.

So you are saying that a case could be made

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

So you are saying that a case could be made

Perhaps.

Really, I am sure one could be made and probably a pretty damn good one. I just don't know if it would be for breach of contract, tort or breach of a statutorially imposed duty.

[Evilgrin]

Bottom line is the first secret agreement was totally illegal, and Snyder is very shady and probably only cares about himself and getting ahead anyway he can.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by Evilgrin

Bottom line is the first secret agreement was totally illegal, and Snyder is very shady and probably only cares about himself and getting ahead anyway he can.

Based on?

[JWsleep]

My thinking on this is that there's not going to be a lawsuit. Sure, there was clearly collusion, but Jerry and Danny are up to their asses in that kind of shit with the league. And probably worse--do you really think Jerry and Danny are MORE upstanding than Mara or Rooney or whomever? It would be like the Corleone's going to the cops when Tataglia hit them.

No, it will be done "in house." So, what leverage do Danny and Jerry have here? The answer is monies paid to the league and re-distributed to the "poorer" teams. I don't know how all this works, but my impression is that the league gets a cut of the kitty Dan and Jerry build up with their aggressive marketing, including very local stuff like shirts and whatnot. (Am I wrong about this?) If there is money like this out there, then I'd freeze, oh, 36 million dollars worth of it. Or slow it down. Or **** with it in some way.

Now, I figure that agreement about redistribution IS in writing, so that's an issue. But maybe they can escrow it while the "case" is debated. That alone might squeeze some teams and make Mara sweat.

Here's another idea: London Fletcher, Laron Landry, and any unsigned Cowboy FAs should sue. They are directly harmed here: the team HAD money and wanted to spend it, but collusion kept it from them and their fair-market value. Now, this, of course, goes against the NFLPA union, but at this point, how happy can London be with the union? He was deep in negotiations with his team for his contract, and the union PULLS MONEY RIGHT OFF THE TABLE. And now he's without a contract. Quit the union and sue. BUt I'm not sure he has standing--that may be an issue given the union "signing off" on the "deal."

Finally, and this is going to happen no matter what else does, Danny and Jerry should spend the rest of their working lives taking EVERY opportunity, no matter how small, to **** with Mara and the Giants. Revenge is a dish best served slow. As I said, no way Danny and Jerry are more upstanding than the other owners. I'd be a little worried if I were in the Giants organization. It will come. Believe me.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by JWsleep

My thinking on this is that there's not going to be a lawsuit. Sure, there was clearly collusion,.

We will deal with your Giant envy later but do you even know what collusion is?From these posts not a whole lot of you do.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by Giantone

We will deal with your Giant envy later but do you even know what collusion is?From these posts not a whole lot of you do.

I think JoeRedskin laid it out there pretty eloquently.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

I think JoeRedskin laid it out there pretty eloquently.

I'm sure you do,there could be made a case for collusion on the part of Snyder and Jones. Look you can't find one post of mine saying anything bad about Dan Snyder as a villian,I find a whole lot of his business ethics questionable I believe he plays fantasy football with a real team(yeah he is the majority owner) and the same with Jerry Jones....the fact that he hook up with him amazes me. What collusion are you fans talking about ..none of the other owners in any way shape or form tried to stop a player from making any money ...or any owner from making any money,this is all about how the contracts were structured and a majority commity choose a way for them to be done and it was "agreed upon"...4 choose to go back on their word as a owner to gain and unfair competitive advanage over the other owners ...more then some, in a salery cap move.Do you think these other 28 owners don't have lawyers ,do you not think the NFL thought this through,laws don't have to broken in busuness, business ethics count in court .

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Giantone

I'm sure you do,there could be made a case for collusion on the part of Snyder and Jones. Look you can't find one post of mine saying anything bad about Dan Snyder as a villian,I find a whole lot of his business ethics questionable I believe he plays fantasy football with a real team(yeah he is the majority owner) and the same with Jerry Jones....the fact that he hook up with him amazes me. What collusion are you fans talking about ..none of the other owners in any way shape or form tried to stop a player from making any money ...or any owner from making any money,this is all about how the contracts were structured and a majority commity choose a way for them to be done and it was "agreed upon"...4 choose to go back on their word as a owner to gain and unfair competitive advanage over the other owners ...more then some, in a salery cap move.Do you think these other 28 owners don't have lawyers ,do you not think the NFL thought this through,laws don't have to broken in busuness, business ethics count in court .

if you can't see how the owners colluded to keep costs down, then that's probably on you at this point. it's pretty clear.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Giantone

I'm sure you do,there could be made a case for collusion on the part of Snyder and Jones.

I'd be interested how you cam to this conclusion.

[JWsleep]

Originally Posted by Giantone

What collusion are you fans talking about ..none of the other owners in any way shape or form tried to stop a player from making any money ...or any owner from making any money,this is all about how the contracts were structured anda majority commity choose a way for them to be done and it was "agreed upon"...4 choose to go back on their word as a owner to gain and unfair competitive advanage over the other owners ...more then some, in a salery cap move.Do you think these other 28 owners don't have lawyers ,do you not think the NFL thought this through,laws don't have to broken in busuness, business ethics count in court .

Oddly, not "agreed upon" in writing. And, why, pray tell, was it "agreed upon" that contracts couldn't be structured in a certain way? So cap couldn't be dumped (as we, admittedly, did). Now, what's wrong with that--why couldn't we structure our contracts this way? Answer: we'd have MORE MONEY TO PAY THE PLAYERS. The NFL effectively blocked that, with an unwritten "agreement." That, I believe, is collusion.

I would have thought that the collusion is pretty obvious to everyone--the NFL owners are a private club of super rich folk who make their own rules (and Danny and Jerry are admittedly among the worst of them!). You sound like Claude Raines in Casablanca: "I am shocked, shocked, to find gambling in this casino!"

The other 28 "innocents" with their "business ethics" have their own shenanigans going on--don't be naive. I think all that ticker tape and Eli-love has clouded your judgment.

As for Graziano and "check mate" or whatever: when everyone from King to Clayton think the league has gone too far--and these are not people who love the skins, to say the least--that should tell you something.

Danny and Jerry may be asses, but this punishment is out of line.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Giantone

I'm sure you do,there could be made a case for collusion on the part of Snyder and Jones. Look you can't find one post of mine saying anything bad about Dan Snyder as a villian,I find a whole lot of his business ethics questionable I believe he plays fantasy football with a real team(yeah he is the majority owner) and the same with Jerry Jones....the fact that he hook up with him amazes me. What collusion are you fans talking about ..none of the other owners in any way shape or form tried to stop a player from making any money ...or any owner from making any money,this is all about how the contracts were structured and a majority commity choose a way for them to be done and it was "agreed upon"...4 choose to go back on their word as a owner to gain and unfair competitive advanage over the other owners ...more then some, in a salery cap move.Do you think these other 28 owners don't have lawyers ,do you not think the NFL thought this through,laws don't have to broken in busuness, business ethics count in court .

Wow Giantone, please, punctuation next time.

It's quite obvious you're going to say "what collusion" since it's your owner who spear-headed this attack. Quite convenient that it would be an owner of a franchise within the same division. You're talking about competitive advantage? Neither did the Redskins nor the Cowboys make the playoffs in the last two years. Tell me what advantage did those teams have over the other teams in the league?

The biggest point is that there were no rules broken. It was an uncapped year. Plain and simple. Telling the owners that they should not spend money in the uncapped year is worthless. There was no CBA in place. Any team with the means to do so could have done exactly what the 'skins and 'boys did. Except, they colluded with the league to not spend money, and then agreed that these two teams should be punished for following the rules. So, talk about unfair competitive advantage. The other 28 teams get rewarded extra cap space while strictly penalizing those two teams (and doing nothing to the other two teams not mentioned.) And again, how convenient that it was the Giants' owner who spear-headed this move to punish two teams within his same division, but doing nothing to the other teams.

If you don't get that then there's no hope for you.

[JWsleep]

Originally Posted by Giantone

We will deal with your Giant envy later but do you even know what collusion is?From these posts not a whole lot of you do.

Lol. My feelings about the Giants in this case are based on Graziano and others reporting about where this stuff is coming from. And I'm sure I'd hate Danny and Jerry too, if I were the owner of a different team. But whatever--the Meadowlands is an awful place and I don't envy anyone who must go there more than once a year.

Anywho, my impression is that the owners of the teams in the NFL (ie management) acted behind the scenes in concert to agree to keep labor costs down. Call that what you will. For what it's worth, I have no doubt that Danny gave his word and agreed at the time. He then reneged on his promise and now, 2 years later and a day before free agency, he's getting his payback from the fellas he crossed. Is that not what happened here?

I'm pissed because I am a skins fan also because of the hypocrisy of the league claiming some nonsense about "competitiveness". We were 5-11 last year and have been to the playoffs only 3 times since Danny bought the team. Yeah, the league is really scared that we're going to become the 27 Yankees. BS. It's about money and the egos of billionaires.

Whatever. To be honest, it's a kind of fun distraction in the offseason, except that it cost us 36 mil in cap space. But the cap has never stopped us before, so I'm not that worried.

(PS I lived in NYC for 20 years. The only time I root for the Vagiants is when they play the cowboys. Then I root for a tie and lots of injuries.)

[steveo395]

...

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by JWsleep

Lol. My feelings about the Giants in this case are based on Graziano


(PS I lived in NYC for 20 years. The only time I root for the Vagiants is when they play the cowboys. Then I root for a tie and lots of injuries.)

...Check ...and mate!!!