Broncos to trade Cutler

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I think it is tough to be in Elway's shadow, but being the QB of the Washington Redskins is a far tougher gig. Given the fact that we're an east coast city and the Redskins are popular enough to trump any other professional and college sports team when it comes to the attention they get.

Well I'll put it this way. Both are hard core NFL cities and are tough places to play QB. If Cutler can play there then he can play here.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by vallin21

I wouldn't be surprised if Zorn, Vinny, and Synder are the one's pushing hard for Cutler. Zorn knows he might be out this year if he doesn't make the playoffs, and maybe he sees no progression in JC which is why he is gunning for Cutler. From Vinny's standpoint he's likely fired if we don't make the playoffs, and he made the trade to jump back into the 1st round in '05 and gave up our 1st in '06 to get JC and it's not working out. Synder wants to win and put people in the stands, and Cutler is the better QB to do that. Were the only team in the NFC East with an unproven QB (Manning, McNabb, Romo), so to get Cutler would give us a proven QB.

Proven Qb? Really?
As a full time starter Cutler in his entire NFL career went:

2007 record 7-9
2008 record 8-8

Yes he is a QB in the NFL. That is proven. But if you imply Cutler is the real deal like a Manning, McNabb or even Romo...no he is not.

[RedTempleSkin]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

I'm tired of this crappy "OL crutch" argument. I've blown this up in numerous posts so no need to re-type everything. Bottom line, have you ever played behind or coached with a poor OL at any level? My guess is No.

The following quotes are all mine from other posts/threads on the Campbell subject

- "....as the OL goes, so goes any offense. If an OL struggles I don't care who is at QB, they will struggle. Peyton Manning struggled early in the year with the OL injuries in Indy."

- "Poor argument. The Steelers success this year had a lot more to do with their # 1 defense than their offense. Big Ben's QB rating was actually 80.1 (JCs was 84.3) and his production was way off from last year when his OL was solid. The Steeler run game dropped off from last year from # 3, to # 23 in Yds. The Steeler offensive ratings are all in the bottom half of the league. This indicates pretty clearly that an OL drop-off hurts any offense, and is critical to offensive success."


- "After Week 2 and up until the Steelers game, the JC bashing crowd was nowhere to be found. Did JC magically just go from being one of the top performers in the league to being crap in 2-3 weeks? Did Portis go from being a top performer to crap in 2-3 weeks? Or maybe OL problems were really the major issue for our poor offensive performance."

- "The same arguments were made last off-season, those who supported Campbell last off-season were correct. He improved significantly from last season. This is not a point for dispute, it is fact. JC is not the problem, we've got issues on the OL that must be addressed or we will struggle in 2009."

- "I wish I had the sources you have around the "whole league". As most of the JC bashers, your analysis isn't based on any logic, stats or football knowledge. It's just a bunch of the same negative buzz-words/phrases parroted by those who want to be able to say "I told you so" when Campbell struggles. But, you same guys are going to be nowhere to be found when Campbell raises his QB rating into the 90s if we solidify the OL."

- "With a healthy OL he (JC) was putting up Pro Bowl level numbers in the first 8 games, first season in the WCO, with a below average WR corps."

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"It's interesting that when you look at Jason Campbell's QB rating numbers it confirms what can be seen about the offense....against good defenses the OL is overmatched. JC has played well this year, he's made a lot of plays either by a quick release or movement in (or out of) the pocket that could've ended in disaster. His turn-overs are down and overall his QB rating is up, despite the OL being in much worse shape than last year."[

- "Let's look at reality here, we'll finish either 8-8 or 9-7. A Pete Kendell fumble and a poor first half against CIN don't happen and we're 10-6 or 11-5. This is with a new HC, an unproven young QB, a defense with no real playmakers in the front 7, and a secondary that was questionable in the pre-season."

Do you think we'll go 10-6 or 11-5 next year if we trade for Cutler? If we do then how do we address our holes at RT, LDE, OLB if we give up our # 1 this year and a # 1 or # 2 next year? Also keep in mind we may be able to fill two of our holes by trading down the # 13 this year.

From BHA's post # 575 "Frank Hammerhan is on ESPN980 right now and he just said that Zorn has no say in any of this. Earlier in the offseason, Zorn specifically told Cerrato and Snyder that he beleived Campbell would be successful in this system..."

I'll take this as a true statement. I trust Zorn's evaluation and judgement of Campbell a lot more than your "people around the NFL" comment. I agree Cutler is an upgrade over Campbell, but not a drastic one. Why would Denver want to take what they perceive as a step back. Even if they were interested in JC, they wouldn't say so or leak it publicly when they're floating a two #1 scenario for Cutler.

Also, just because Denver has "asked" for two # 1s doesn't mean they'll get it. Don't you think they're trying to set the market and also set themselves up for a reunion with Cutler when they can't get the # 1s they want. They hold the leverage, Cutler is under contract so why shouldn't they go for broke and try to set an unreasonable price. I hope we're not the ones dumb enough to pay it.

This comment says so much, Cutler did not play in the NFC east, he did not go against 3 top 10 defenses within his own devision 6 times. There was no top 10 defense in the AFC west. He also had to throw the football because of no running game, this is why he had the passing yards that many are in love with. We should look more to the passing efficiency numbers for this pass happy guy, we will see no viable improvement over what we have, and we will still keep our draft picks to improve our weaknesses.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

I've heard Cutler's cap number is $1 million next year with a trade.

He's got some escalator clauses in there that could give him an extra $6 or so million next year

[NYCskinfan82]

I agree if we take the bait 8-8 at best we have bigger needs, if we do the deal i hope Zorn knows if we don't do good he will be gone and they will bring in Mike Shannahan.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by RedTempleSkin

This comment says so much, Cutler did not play in the NFC east, he did not go against 3 top 10 defenses within his own devision 6 times. There was no top 10 defense in the AFC west. He also had to throw the football because of no running game, this is why he had the passing yards that many are in love with. We should look more to the passing efficiency numbers for this pass happy guy, we will see no viable improvement over what we have, and we will still keep our draft picks to improve our weaknesses.

Last year when Cutler played against a decent defense he lost 41-7 to New England. You know NE that had a QB that had never started an NFL before last year.

[Ruhskins]

It's scary when you have two bad FO dealing with each other. If I were Denver, I would take this April Fool's joke seriously and make the following offer:

McCown was amused by an April Fool's joke played by FOX Sports Radio that 'reported' Wednesday night Cutler had been traded to the Bucs for first and third round picks and defensive tackle Chris Hovan.

Once again, I feel that other teams have better offers than the Redskins, yet Denver will take our offer b/c they are just as stupid as we are for wanting to trade for Cutler.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Proven Qb? Really?
As a full time starter Cutler in his entire NFL career went:

2007 record 7-9
2008 record 8-8

Yes he is a QB in the NFL. That is proven. But if you imply Cutler is the real deal like a Manning, McNabb or even Romo...no he is not.

PLEASE stop comparing the WL records. That means NOTHING! Again I hope we keep JC but if you took Cutler off of Denver they might win 3-5 games. He plays on a team with a terrible defense and no running game. Let's say Campbell had to play on a team with a real bad defense. What would his WL record be? The WL thing really isn't a smart way to compare the two.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

Imagine it's more of the same from last night but interested as well.

As usual, nothing but class from Jason Campbell. He said he would have no issue whatsoever playing for the Redskins in 2009 and beyond if the trade for Cutler falls through. This is b/c he knows he has the support of the fans and his teammates. When asked if he felt the Redskins were confident in him moving forward, he said he knows "the coaches are." Reading between the lines, this means everyone but Dan and Vinny.

Nothing major came out of the interview. Jason understands it's the nature of the business and took the high road, which you expect from a cool-headed, classy leader. Cutler could learn a thing or two from him.

[Dirtbag59]

Let me stress this again. One of our biggest problems over the last few years has been the inability to score in the Red Zone. I don't know the exact numbers but I wouldn't feel bad pitting Cutlers 25 TD passes against Campbell's 13 TD passes. And don't go off on Cutler having better recievers. 9/10 QB's make the recievers great, not the other way around.

Those 2 QB points are farther apart then you might think. Though I do get frustrated that people are trying to now pass off the O-Line as something that isn't important. "Oh Big Ben won without a good O-Line." The better argument for Cutler should be that he'll make quicker decisions and as a result our line will have more energy near the end of the game as the seconds saved pile up. Not "oh O-line isn't that important."

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by GMScud

As usual, nothing but class from Jason Campbell. He said he would have no issue whatsoever playing for the Redskins in 2009 and beyond if the trade for Cutler falls through. This is b/c he knows he has the support of the fans and his teammates. When asked if he felt the Redskins were confident in him moving forward, he said he knows "the coaches are." Reading between the lines, this means everyone but Dan and Vinny.

Nothing major came out of the interview. Jason understands it's the nature of the business and took the high road, which you expect from a cool-headed, classy leader. Cutler could learn a thing or two from him.

Word...

[NoviSkins]

From the looks of it, Matty better get started on a Cutler Avatar.

[RedTempleSkin]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Last year when Cutler played against a decent defense he lost 41-7 to New England. You know NE that had a QB that had never started an NFL before last year.

The top defense in the AFC west last year was ranked 25th(San Diego). Why can't good stats be complied by playing the worst teams.

[dmvskinzfan08]

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Redskins actively pursuing Cutler

Posted: Around The Web | NFL.com Staff | Tags: Jason Campbell, Jay Cutler, Vinny Cerrato, Washington Redskins
A decades-long pursuit for a franchise quarterback might lead to the Washington Redskins making a trade for disgruntled Denver Broncos QB Jay Cutler.
The Redskins were actively pursuing a trade for Cutler on Wednesday, reports The Washington Post, citing NFL sources.
The NFL source told The Post that Redskins owner Dan Snyder has been pushing for the trade. However, the Redskins are declining to comment.
The Redskins figure to be competing with the Buccaneers and Jets at this moment, but Washington does have one advantage — it has a starting NFL quarterback, Jason Campbell, to dangle in a trade. Often lost in the Cutler trade talk is who will be the Broncos’ starting QB in 2009. Four NFL.com editors kicked around that issue in an Instant Debate.
Redskins executive vice president of football operations Vinny Cerrato and coach Jim Zorn publicly denied interest in Cutler during the annual NFL owners meeting last week. But that might just mean they are smoother than Broncos owner Pat Bowlen and coach Josh McDaniels when talking about potential trades.
The Post updated its initial report by saying the Redskins offered Campbell to an undisclosed team for a second-round draft pick. The Redskins are believed to be acquiring picks to build a package for Cutler. That could indicate that the Broncos don’t want Campbell and might be comfortable with Chris Simms or a rookie in the upcoming draft as their starter.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Proven Qb? Really?
As a full time starter Cutler in his entire NFL career went:

2007 record 7-9
2008 record 8-8

Yes he is a QB in the NFL. That is proven. But if you imply Cutler is the real deal like a Manning, McNabb or even Romo...no he is not.

Perfect assessment