2011 NFL Draft

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

This Kaepernick kid is the talk of sports radio in OKC, and Dallas.. I guess he may be moving up the boards fast.

You have to realize why don't you? It's because of me. I started talking about Von Miller awhile ago and he starts climbing the boards. Now I'm high on Kaepernick and he is rising up draft boards. I guess I need to keep my picks on the DL or we won't get any good picks. lol.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by SkinzWin

You have to realize why don't you? It's because of me. I started talking about Von Miller awhile ago and he starts climbing the boards. Now I'm high on Kaepernick and he is rising up draft boards. I guess I need to keep my picks on the DL or we won't get any good picks. lol.

as long as you have us 9-7 next year I'm good lol

[CultBrennan59]

I want Nothing to do with Kaepernick, he's got awful accuracy and can't read defenses.

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

I want Nothing to do with Kaepernick, he's got awful accuracy and can't read defenses.

You are so right! his 36-38 performance at pro day coupled with his 64.9% completion percentage as a senior this year was terrible! What was I thinking?!? It's not like he has improved every year as a 4 year starter, oh wait... HE HAS!!!

Just because you're still bitter about pineapple jesus getting the boot doesn't mean you have to sour things for everyone else. And unlike most of the other QB's in the draft that you probably like, Kaepernick has the speed and athleticism to bootleg out and around a breakdown on the play or if he can not read the defense correctly.

You can learn to read defenses. You can't learn speed and athleticism. He's got his head on straight, hard worker, someone is going to get a steal in the draft. I hope it is us.

If we draft Kaepernick I'm changing my username KaepKrusader.

[Masshole]

I agree, AJ Green or Patrick Peterson's Wonderlic matters very little to almost nothing. Though it does make you wonder how they the necessary SAT scores to get into college if they don't test well. But I think there's definitely some strong evidence to show that it matters with quarterbacks. This article does a pretty good job of laying it out -

A Formula For Drafting QBs That Works: Rule of 26-27-60 - Hogs Haven

And re: Bradshaw, Kelly, Cunningham, etc

My guess is that the Wonderlic wasn't generally perceived to matter in those days, so when stud qb's like Marino and Bradshaw got presented with a bubble test, they probably didn't pay it much attention. These days it matters, and preparing for the Wonderlic as a qb is now a part of the draft preparation, including tutors and practice sessions. Much worse to score low on a test you've prepared for and that you know is important than when you don't think it matters.

[Dirtbag59]

Bradshaw is not the type of QB you want to point to as to why the Wonderlic doesn't mater. If anything his career numbers validate the importance of the Wonderlic.

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Bradshaw is not the type of QB you want to point to as to why the Wonderlic doesn't mater. If anything his career numbers validate the importance of the Wonderlic.

jesus, no s. i never knew his numbers were that bad, his completion percentage is a joke..

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by mlmdub130

jesus, no s. i never knew his numbers were that bad, his completion percentage is a joke..

Does that say anything about the relationship of "the numbers" and winning?

[wilsowilso]

Originally Posted by Hog1

Does that say anything about the relationship of "the numbers" and winning?

Bradshaw isn't a very good case study.

That Pittsburgh team had nine players on it who now have a bust in Canton.

Sage Rosenfels or Gus Frerotte would most likely have won multiple rings leading that dynasty of talent.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by wilsowilso

Bradshaw isn't a very good case study.

That Pittsburgh team had nine players on it who now have a bust in Canton.

Sage Rosenfels or Gus Frerotte would most likely have won multiple rings leading that dynasty of talent.

If Bradshaw had only done it once......perhaps
It will be difficult to craft an argument against 8 AFC Central titles and 4 Superbowls.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Hog1

Does that say anything about the relationship of "the numbers" and winning?

How could you pass up the chance for a great Charlie Sheen reference?

Terry Bradshaw stats?

Duh WINNING!

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Hog1

Does that say anything about the relationship of "the numbers" and winning?

I basically look at it like this. The equivalent of a QB today posting a rating of 90+ is like a QB back in the mid 70's and early 80's posting a rating of at least 80.

In fairness to Bradshaw he came from an era where no one knew how to design a pass play. Corners were allowed to molest receivers to the point where they would probably get fined in this day and age. He also might have the best QB rating in Super Bowls of any other QB that played in more then one (112.8 Rating).

Still it's always funny to have people talking about how great Bradshaw was because he was on 4 Super Bowl teams when the fact of the matter is he was an average QB at best for more then half of his career who's team was successful mainly due to their defense and running game.

If there ever was a modern day equivelent of Bradshaw it has to be Sanchez. The guy is so up and down during the regular season that the only reason he gets to the postseason in the first place is due to the fact that he plays on a team with an elite defense and running game. However once he gets to the postseason he suddenly becomes an elite QB.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

I basically look at it like this. The equivalent of a QB today posting a rating of 90+ is like a QB back in the mid 70's and early 80's posting a rating of at least 80.

In fairness to Bradshaw he came from an era where no one knew how to design a pass play. Corners were allowed to molest receivers to the point where they would probably get fined in this day and age. He also might have the best QB rating in Super Bowls of any other QB that played in more then one (112.8 Rating).

Still it's always funny to have people talking about how great Bradshaw was because he was on 4 Super Bowl teams when the fact of the matter is he was an average QB at best for more then half of his career who's team was successful mainly due to their defense and running game.

If there ever was a modern day equivelent of Bradshaw it has to be Sanchez. The guy is so up and down during the regular season that the only reason he gets to the postseason in the first place is due to the fact that he plays on a team with an elite defense and running game. However once he gets to the postseason he suddenly becomes an elite QB.

If you are saying that TB...NBA'd it during much of the regular season and delivered in the playoffs and SB when the chips were down to bring home the Lombardi....I could agree.
If not I would suggest the relationship between stats and winning is not or at least "was not" all that..as TB made an HOF and record breaking habit of under-achieving his ass into multiple division championships and SB wins.

[Terpfan76]

Originally Posted by mlmdub130

jesus, no s. i never knew his numbers were that bad, his completion percentage is a joke..

Him and Joe Namath are two of the most overrated qbs to ever play. Neither one really has any business being in the HOF. Especially Bradshaw. He won 4 SB's playing behind a stout offensive line, handing the ball off to Franco and Rocky and heaving the ball down field hoping that Stallworth/Swann would make some kind of acrobatic catch, not to mention having one of the greatest defenses ever assembled. Damn I hate Pittsburgh!

[MTK]

Kaepernick at #10 anyone?

Colin Kaepernick may be making Cutler-like climb | ProFootballTalk