Cousins Saga 4.0. Is he done in DC?

[rocnrik]

Folks seem to think Denver could go after Kirk, I find it interesting with the 5th overall pick that Denver would think that Cousins would be the guy. IF they are correct then Redskins need to think hard about who they would pick with 13th pick two replace Cousins. With the 5th pick you would think a top QB would be there. Could it be possible that other teams know more than the Redskins do..Im not sure that whatever we do will be the right move.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by rocnrik

Folks seem to think Denver could go after Kirk, I find it interesting with the 5th overall pick that Denver would think that Cousins would be the guy. IF they are correct then Redskins need to think hard about who they would pick with 13th pick two replace Cousins. With the 5th pick you would think a top QB would be there. Could it be possible that other teams know more than the Redskins do..Im not sure that whatever we do will be the right move.

Elway wants to win now and so he needs a proven QB, he tried that with Lynch and he stinks.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

What I don't want people to think is that I'm saying we shouldn't sign Cousins. I still lean towards that being our best option.

I'm just acknowledging that I don't like either of our options. Whether you sign him, or whether you let him walk, I don't think we're contending for a SB title anytime soon.
If we go with Cousins we're guaranteed to be outclassed at the QB position if we're able to make it deeper into the playoffs. We're outclassed by Wentz, Rodgers, Wilson, and Brees in the NFC. We probably go toe to toe with Ryan and Cam.

And if we let him walk, then we may not see an even capable one come along for ten years.

I'm not saying he's not our best option, I'm just saying our options fucking suck and it's depressing. I have to keep it real.

Things change quick in the NFL. Eagles, Rams, etc.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Things change quick in the NFL. Eagles, Rams, etc.

OK well think that through. With the Eagles, how did their fortunes change?

They had Nick Foles become a failure as their starting QB once the league adapted to Chip Kelly. They traded up twice to jump up to number 2 and draft Wentz. Simultaneously they changed head coaches. Bam, instant turnaround.

The Rams were mired in mediocrity under Fisher and then traded up to #1 to get Goff, and the next year changed head coaches, who unlocked the potential in Goff. Bam, instant turnaround.

So let's be clear, if you want things to change quickly in the NFL, you need to take action and make it change. Sticking with Gruden and Cousins would be the antithesis of following the Rams / Eagles approach.

[Schneed10]

And jury's out on Jimmy G, Goff, and Winston.

I'd take Cousins over those guys right now, but ask me this time next year and I may feel differently.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

And jury's out on Jimmy G, Goff, and Winston.

I'd take Cousins over those guys right now, but ask me this time next year and I may feel differently.

Jimmy G won't be Tom Brady and SF fans are crazy if they think he is.

Winston isn't accurate at all, he's a better version of Dak but that is it.

Goff is good

[Schneed10]

And I get the discussion around Colt as an option but it's important not to hone in on that as the only option. If Cousins leaves remember that Bridgewater, Keenum, Bradford, and Tyrod Taylor are all in play. Not to mention rookies.

It doesn't have to be Colt or bust. If we don't have Cousins, it should be Colt plus one of those vets, or Colt plus a 1st round rookie.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

And I get the discussion around Colt as an option but it's important not to hone in on that as the only option. If Cousins leaves remember that Bridgewater, Keenum, Bradford, and Tyrod Taylor are all in play. Not to mention rookies.

It doesn't have to be Colt or bust. If we don't have Cousins, it should be Colt plus one of those vets, or Colt plus a 1st round rookie.

I dont see MIN letting Keenum walk, Sam yes. That list sucks tho, I'd rather draft a rookie and just play him

[sandtrapjack]

I don't know what else he needs to prove. KC has been consistent and playing a a high level for 3 years. Has not missed a start since taking over.

Show me any other QB that puts up over 4k yards and 27 TD's after losing his offensive coordinator and two 1,000 yard receivers in the same year. Tough task.

If there is a Free Agent QB out there that in 3 years has averaged 4,400 yards, 27 TDs to 12 INTs with a 66% comp and a rating of 94, the front office would go after that guy in free agency. And that is what KC has done since becoming the full time starter.

I am not saying that he is in the same conversation with Brady, Rodgers and Big Ben. But he has earned his shot to be in the conversation on the next tier.

Question is, when (not if) KC walks, who you gonna get? And in free agency, I would take Cousins over Alex Smith.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

I don't know what else he needs to prove. KC has been consistent and playing a a high level for 3 years. Has not missed a start since taking over.

Show me any other QB that puts up over 4k yards and 27 TD's after losing his offensive coordinator and two 1,000 yard receivers in the same year. Tough task.

If there is a Free Agent QB out there that in 3 years has averaged 4,400 yards, 27 TDs to 12 INTs with a 66% comp and a rating of 94, the front office would go after that guy in free agency. And that is what KC has done since becoming the full time starter.

I am not saying that he is in the same conversation with Brady, Rodgers and Big Ben. But he has earned his shot to be in the conversation on the next tier.

Question is, when (not if) KC walks, who you gonna get? And in free agency, I would take Cousins over Alex Smith.

Kirk gets that Romo respect or lack there of a lot. Both very good QB's but didn't perform well in crucial games, I'd take the consistent 25 tds and 4000 yards over a flashy 1 or 2 year run as we've seen here first hand.

[Brody81]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

I don't know what else he needs to prove. KC has been consistent and playing a a high level for 3 years. Has not missed a start since taking over.



Show me any other QB that puts up over 4k yards and 27 TD's after losing his offensive coordinator and two 1,000 yard receivers in the same year. Tough task.



If there is a Free Agent QB out there that in 3 years has averaged 4,400 yards, 27 TDs to 12 INTs with a 66% comp and a rating of 94, the front office would go after that guy in free agency. And that is what KC has done since becoming the full time starter.



I am not saying that he is in the same conversation with Brady, Rodgers and Big Ben. But he has earned his shot to be in the conversation on the next tier.



Question is, when (not if) KC walks, who you gonna get? And in free agency, I would take Cousins over Alex Smith.

It’s because us fans are so spoiled with the great QB play we have witnessed the last 20 years before Kirk.


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[WillH]

I agree with a lot of the sentiment being posted, namely:

1. Kirk is the best option right now at the right price.
2. Kirk isn't "worth" being the highest paid player, but because of how they've handled his contract for 3 years, that's what it will take.
3. Building a super bowl contending team around cousins when he takes such a big chunk of the cap will be extremely difficult.
4. Losing him will almost certainly mean a step back in the short term.

Ultimately, what is debatable here is which is more likely to lead to a super bowl run, signing him and possibly crippling your team or letting him go and start over at QB but have cap room to bring in and or keep talented players.

As Schneed said, both these options suck.

Emotionally and Rationally I keep going back and forth. I like Cousins, but he's flawed. He's a very good QB and the best we've had, but he's not elite. He's not worth the highest paid contract, but is the best option we have. Want to know where someone's going ask where they've been, but failure is often a good indicator of future success.

There is no good way to determine which is the right decision. Only time will tell. I'm glad I'm not Jay Gruden right now, this decision will make or break his career in Washington and there is no default option anymore.

Now, I've heard a bit about the option of franchising and trading him, if that is a viable option, a first rounder would certainly take some of the sting out of losing him, but nothing ever works out that nearly for the Redskins.

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[MTK]

I wonder what the narrative would be right now if we didn’t have all the injuries, finished 10-6 or 11-5 and went on to win a playoff game.

The only thing I didn’t like about Gruden’s take on Cousins was he seemed to be hanging the 7-9 record squarely on him.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by MTK

I wonder what the narrative would be right now if we didn’t have all the injuries, finished 10-6 or 11-5 and went on to win a playoff game.

The only thing I didn’t like about Gruden’s take on Cousins was he seemed to be hanging the 7-9 record squarely on him.

extremely telling last sentence or two with his answer.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by MTK

I wonder what the narrative would be right now if we didn’t have all the injuries, finished 10-6 or 11-5 and went on to win a playoff game.

The only thing I didn’t like about Gruden’s take on Cousins was he seemed to be hanging the 7-9 record squarely on him.

I liked that line because it was honest. I didn't interpret it as laying the responsibility for the entire record at Cousins's feet, because he did in the same answer say that injuries played a big role. But yeah, I mean wasn't Cousins the primary culprit for the Week 17 loss to the Giants and a huge contributor to the shit burger we laid against the Chargers?

He was also a major contributor to several of our wins.

But Gruden's right, he was good, but we were only 7-9 and he needs to be better.