Fresh Start Political Thread

[Chico23231]

There is simply no excuse. Biden is a national embarrassment…there needs to be a commission and Congressional hearings to explore how this failure happened.

His plan and strategy. There are no talking points for Democrats. Blood of Afghans is on Biden’s hands. The woman of Afghanistan…just traumatic for this to face these Islamic terrorist savage animals…they aren’t human, they are pieces of shit who should be described only in the most offensive ways…will suffer only because of then Biden administration.

[nonniey]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

There is simply no excuse. Biden is a national embarrassment…there needs to be a commission and Congressional hearings to explore how this failure happened.

His plan and strategy. There are no talking points for Democrats. Blood of Afghans is on Biden’s hands. The woman of Afghanistan…just traumatic for this to face these Islamic terrorist savage animals…they aren’t human, they are pieces of shit who should be described only in the most offensive ways…will suffer only because of then Biden administration.

Chico - just curious do you still support Trump? Because this was Trump's plan and strategy as well. The Republicans need to go back to being Conservatives as the populist Trumper's isolationism is as bad and possibly worse than the left's can't do defeatism.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by nonniey

Chico - just curious do you still support Trump? Because this was Trump's plan and strategy as well. The Republicans need to go back to being Conservatives as the populist Trumper's isolationism is as bad and possibly worse than the left's can't do defeatism.

Insane …here you go:

The @WSJ editors accurately, succinctly damn @POTUS @JoeBiden. When Taliban violated the Doha agreement —premised on a negotiated power sharing— the U.S. was free to keep Bagram, it’s 2500 troops and NATO’s 5000, to use air power. He could have saved thousands. He chose not to.

To say trump or trump plan is simply laughable.

He fucking chose NOT to enforce the negotiated agreement. Also the Pelosi receipts from disagreeing with trump plan and then endorsing Biden plan the withdrawal from Afghanistan are widely available online.

Also, it’s not criticizing coming from the political pundits…but have you seen the worldwide condemnation from around the world?

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Insane …here you go:

The @WSJ editors accurately, succinctly damn @POTUS @JoeBiden. When Taliban violated the Doha agreement —premised on a negotiated power sharing— the U.S. was free to keep Bagram, it’s 2500 troops and NATO’s 5000, to use air power. He could have saved thousands. He chose not to.

To say trump or trump plan is simply laughable.

He fucking chose NOT to enforce the negotiated agreement. Also the Pelosi receipts from disagreeing with trump plan and then endorsing Biden plan the withdrawal from Afghanistan are widely available online.

Also, it’s not criticizing coming from the political pundits…but have you seen the worldwide condemnation from around the world?

You lost me at negotiated agreement with the Taliban. Is that like the handshake agreement with N Korea?
So Trumps plan and Bidens plans were totally different and Pelosi is insane because she sided with one and not the other and they were both the same.
The only difference is trump would have done this in Early May and you would have been singing his praises. Nobody, not Trump or Biden or anyone thought the trained Afghans we left were going to fold in 30 minutes.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by punch it in

You lost me at negotiated agreement with the Taliban. Is that like the handshake agreement with N Korea?
So Trumps plan and Bidens plans were totally different and Pelosi is insane because she sided with one and not the other and they were both the same.
The only difference is trump would have done this in Early May and you would have been singing his praises. Nobody, not Trump or Biden or anyone thought the trained Afghans we left were going to fold in 30 minutes.

Gen Milley and Biden contradict this premise with statements made by made by them in July, both exactly state the Afghanistan military was absolutely ready and Biden said Taliban would not overtake the Afghanistan administration.

So start there.

Also Kamala Harris has to own this as well as Polictico has an article from April stating she was also the leading voice in the planning of the withdrawal.

[nonniey]

Originally Posted by punch it in

"....... Nobody, not Trump or Biden or anyone thought the trained Afghans we left were going to fold in 30 minutes.

Stop saying this as just about everybody knew this, certainly the military and the Intelligence community. Issue was the politicians didn't want to listen to what they were being told (which unfortunately seems to be the rule vice the exception).

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by nonniey

Chico - just curious do you still support Trump? Because this was Trump's plan and strategy as well. The Republicans need to go back to being Conservatives as the populist Trumper's isolationism is as bad and possibly worse than the left's can't do defeatism.

Lol see u clean this from yesterday. Smart

Yeah I’ve pointed out the incorrect nuance per the WSJ article of appropriate actionable steps.

Biden had a lot of options…we know that.

Trump really seems to be on your mind, got you editing post at 1am.

[nonniey]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Lol see u clean this from yesterday. Smart

Yeah I’ve pointed out the incorrect nuance per the WSJ article of appropriate actionable steps.

Biden had a lot of options…we know that.

Trump really seems to be on your mind, got you editing post at 1am.

The posts and edits show up as EST. I'm 3 hours behind you so this edit was done at at 9:16 pm my time. As for the edit itself not sure what it was as it doesn't look like anything changed so probably an English correction. But my question stands - Trump was planning to abandon Afghanistan as well and actually sooner so why do you still support him?

He was shitty president that destroyed the conservative movement in the Republican party. Why can't you return to being a conservative instead of a populist?

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

There is simply no excuse. Biden is a national embarrassment…there needs to be a commission and Congressional hearings to explore how this failure happened.

His plan and strategy. There are no talking points for Democrats. Blood of Afghans is on Biden’s hands. The woman of Afghanistan…just traumatic for this to face these Islamic terrorist savage animals…they aren’t human, they are pieces of shit who should be described only in the most offensive ways…will suffer only because of then Biden administration.

Chico on the therapist’s couch…

“I just can’t get over Benghazi, that is the last thing I remember , than i came to and Afghanistan. I just do not recall anything in between, the Kurds? The insurrection? - it is almost like i blacked out or became numb to Things that need congressional hearings - even opposed to them?”

Everyone on this board is on board that Trumps plan, or Biden pulling the trigger on it was wrong. You are literally the only one who cannot admit fault when it comes to their guy.
If Trump had been re-elected he would have carried through with his plan and no the Taliban would not have honored their “deal” to be good little boys. You would have been saying 80 billion dollars and 20 years and the Afghanistan people fold in a half hour??? Investigate what those soldiers were doing over there for 20 years! But here you are ignoring the fact that this was his plan, and pointing your finger at Biden screaming lock him up. Literally still parroting Trumps statements. Your blind love for one man has finally caught up to you on this board and everyone sees it.

[nonniey]

[QUOTE=punch it in;1287495]Chico on the therapist’s couch…
"........Everyone on this board is on board that Trumps plan, or Biden pulling the trigger on it was wrong. You are literally the only one who cannot admit fault when it comes to their guy......."

Not quite true - Giantone has taken the same position with his guy, Biden.

[SunnySide]

Trump wanted a withdrawl.

Biden wanted a withdrawl.

Americans overwhelmingly wanted a withdrawl.

We withdrew.

People trying to criticize Biden seem to have an agenda. Whats new.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

Trump wanted a withdrawl.

Biden wanted a withdrawl.

Americans overwhelmingly wanted a withdrawl.

We withdrew.

People trying to criticize Biden seem to have an agenda. Whats new.

I agree.........


https://www.cfr.org/timeline/us-war-afghanistan

The U.S. War in Afghanistan
1999 – 2021
The Taliban insurgency remains resilient nearly two decades after U.S.-led forces toppled its regime in what led to the United States’ longest war.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

Trump wanted a withdrawl.



Biden wanted a withdrawl.



Americans overwhelmingly wanted a withdrawl.



We withdrew.



People trying to criticize Biden seem to have an agenda. Whats new.

I haven't followed the Afghan situation, but count me in the group that wanted a withdrawal.

If a country/citizenry is fighting an oppressive regime and needs aid, we should do that. BUT it has to be the citizens of their own country first. We are not an empire regardless of how some international media portray us.

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[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I haven't followed the Afghan situation, but count me in the group that wanted a withdrawal.

If a country/citizenry is fighting an oppressive regime and needs aid, we should do that. BUT it has to be the citizens of their own country first. We are not an empire regardless of how some international media portray us.

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Best solution I read was the US should have focused on working on drawing new territories 20 years ago. So if Afghanistan was like 5 separate tribes, they would work on new borders so each area gets their own autonomy. Like the US would be divided to east coast, southern, mid america, north, west coast.

urban modern people would be in the Kabul area. then different tribes would run their region to whatever degree of taliban they do.

Afghanistan seems like they have some drastically different people .. island of condensed urban modern people surrounded by rural pro taliban.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I haven't followed the Afghan situation, but count me in the group that wanted a withdrawal.

If a country/citizenry is fighting an oppressive regime and needs aid, we should do that. BUT it has to be the citizens of their own country first. We are not an empire regardless of how some international media portray us.

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This. You can lead a horse to water.

The main problem I have with Biden is him blaming Trump publicly. That is exactly the kind of shit I hate about Trump. just take responsibility whether Trump did things that made it worse or not.

As for our entire history there and not just the last week…80 billion dollars and twenty years worth of aid and training and for what? A thirty minute fight ? We were never over there to liberate the people froM an oppressive regime anyway. We were there for oil, poppy, minerals. Funny how whenever we are liberating people they happen to live on a mountain of precious commodity.

I find myself wondering why they did not get all the people out first and than the military last?
Obviously they had their reasons. They did greatly underestimate the Taliban and greatly overestimate the security forces.
This article is from a week ago and they were worried Kabul would be overrun in 6 months maybe. Some said 90 days. But this was lightning.