Campbell's numbers dont lie

CultBrennan59 · 10-26-2009, 12:23 PM

What I've said about Campbell all along is just now getting noticed by the rest of the people on this thread and the great charley casserly...It's about time people realize he is NOT the answer.

diehardskin2982 · 10-26-2009, 12:37 PM

Understanding the issues with Campbell why hasn't Vinny gone after Jeff Garcia who would be obvious fit?

diehardskin2982 · 10-26-2009, 12:52 PM

turn the page bring in Garcia!

Paintrain · 10-26-2009, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

turn the page bring in Garcia!

What's the point in bringing in a 39 year old who has never played under this variation of the WCO? If that's the case, why not bring in Dilfer who played under Zorn in Seattle?

SouperMeister · 10-26-2009, 01:07 PM

I agree with Casserly that Campbell is a square peg being forced into a round hole with the change to a WCO under Zorn. I've wondered how Campbell would have continued to progress in the Al Saunders system, for which his skills seem a much better fit. Joe Flacco is looking pretty damn good in that system with Cam Cameron and Saunders coaching him up.

Chief X_Phackter · 10-26-2009, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by SouperMeister

I agree with Casserly that Campbell is a square peg being forced into a round hole with the change to a WCO under Zorn. I've wondered how Campbell would have continued to progress in the Al Saunders system, for which his skills seem a much better fit. Joe Flacco is looking pretty damn good in that system with Cam Cameron and Saunders coaching him up.

Didn't he run "a version" of the West Coast offense in College? Seemed to do well enough there.

Maybe he's just confused because he's been in six different systems since he's been a pro...

There are a myriad of reasons the Redskins stink right now. Campbell may not be playing perfectly, but he's hardly the main reason for the 2-4 record.

redskinsgirl · 10-26-2009, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

Didn't he run "a version" of the West Coast offense in College? Seemed to do well enough there.

Maybe he's just confused because he's been in six different systems since he's been a pro...

There are a myriad of reasons the Redskins stink right now. Campbell may not be playing perfectly, but he's hardly the main reason for the 2-4 record.

According to his Auburn's coach they altered the West Coast to suit JC's strengths

Redskins' Campbell in tough spot following coaching shakeup

"Borges isn't buying that Campbell can't run the scheme because the West Coast system is what he ran at Auburn when Campbell blossomed. However, Borges said he tweaked the offense to take advantage of the powerful run game and Campbell's big arm. So, instead of dinking and dunking horizontally and relying on timing and receivers to make yards after the reception, Borges implemented more play-action and vertical passing.

"As much as we threw that underneath stuff, we could get it downfield," Borges said. "He could make all the throws; short, intermediate, deep. When he played in 2004, he played lights out. This kid threw almost 70 percent of his passes complete. What's phenomenal about it, his completions were over 10 yards an attempt. That's just not done. He's accurate. Matt Leinart won the Heisman at a 66 percent completion rate with a lower yards-per-catch."

tryfuhl · 10-26-2009, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

Didn't he run "a version" of the West Coast offense in College? Seemed to do well enough there.

Maybe he's just confused because he's been in six different systems since he's been a pro...

There are a myriad of reasons the Redskins stink right now. Campbell may not be playing perfectly, but he's hardly the main reason for the 2-4 record.

In college players get 10 yards open, defensive schemes aren't typically as advanced, etc

Beemnseven · 10-26-2009, 01:07 PM

I heard Casserly on the Dan Patrick show this morning, and Casserly basically said the same thing: this offense doesn't fit with Campbell's strengths. He said that JC would be better in a downfield, play-action type scheme along with moving him around, rolling him out more.

One day, I think we'll look back and recognize that the first mistake that got this whole thing rolling downhill was the hiring of Jim Zorn as offensive coordinator. Going from a completely different offense apart from the one that Gibbs ran, which is why he spotted and selected Jason Campbell in the first place, and switching to a West Coast style offense may have set JC back immeasurably.

irish · 10-26-2009, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I heard Casserly on the Dan Patrick show this morning, and Casserly basically said the same thing: this offense doesn't fit with Campbell's strengths. He said that JC would be better in a downfield, play-action type scheme along with moving him around, rolling him out more.

One day, I think we'll look back and recognize that the first mistake that got this whole thing rolling downhill was the hiring of Jim Zorn as offensive coordinator. Going from a completely different offense apart from the one that Gibbs ran, which is why he spotted and selected Jason Campbell in the first place, and switching to a West Coast style offense may have set JC back immeasurably.

Gibbs brought in Saunders to "modernize" the offense so it was really the offense Saunders was running.

kdogg3270 · 10-26-2009, 03:33 PM

that video was dead on target. sadly, i miss Casserly. we need him back.

GTripp0012 · 10-26-2009, 04:38 PM

Campbell has been indecisive, and it's been one of the bigger reasons why the offense has struggled in this four game stretch.

Just a reminder that no ones career is defined by a notably poor stretch. When Donovan McNabb retires, people aren't going to remember that he quarterbacked the Eagles teams that lost to the Giants, tied the Bengals, and got blown out by and benched against the Ravens. Yet, all those things were true. They're just non-essential characteristics of who Donovan McNabb is.

budw38 · 10-26-2009, 04:52 PM

I agree that JC would likely be better off on another team/system . But , his deep ball accuracy is horrible , I think he needs to sit behind Peyton or Favre for a couple of years and relax , enjoy the NFL and hope when his time comes he looks great .

GTripp0012 · 10-26-2009, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by budw38

I agree that JC would likely be better off on another team/system . But , his deep ball accuracy is horrible , I think he needs to sit behind Peyton or Favre for a couple of years and relax , enjoy the NFL and hope when his time comes he looks great .

I think the best thing for Campbell's career is if someone (anyone) would just correct the glaringly obvious issues with our offense and he could pitch a very good second half of the season.

Of course, what you can't fix over an entire offseason, probably can't be fixed in two weeks.

CrustyRedskin · 10-26-2009, 05:04 PM

We're gonna rally up and kick off in that Philly A$$!!!!!!!! Lets have a little positive attitude!!! Im tired of all this negativity!!! We are supposed to lose!!! But what if we win?? Itl be a shocker!! And thats why they play the game!!! Cant wait! Lets do this!! COme on Defense----Defense----Defense!!! Capital punish!! Make the feathers fly!! I still think Lewis will pull out some old Tecmo Bowl plays!!!

10-26-2009, 12:23 PM	#1
CultBrennan59 Pro Bowl Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 6,526	Re: Campbell's numbers dont lie What I've said about Campbell all along is just now getting noticed by the rest of the people on this thread and the great charley casserly...It's about time people realize he is NOT the answer.

10-26-2009, 12:37 PM	#2
diehardskin2982 Another Year, another mess. Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,581	Re: Campbell's numbers dont lie Understanding the issues with Campbell why hasn't Vinny gone after Jeff Garcia who would be obvious fit? __________________ That got ugly fast

10-26-2009, 12:52 PM	#3
diehardskin2982 Another Year, another mess. Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,581	Re: Campbell's numbers dont lie turn the page bring in Garcia! __________________ That got ugly fast

10-26-2009, 01:07 PM	#5
SouperMeister Playmaker Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Leesburg, VA Age: 61 Posts: 3,419	Re: Campbell's numbers dont lie I agree with Casserly that Campbell is a square peg being forced into a round hole with the change to a WCO under Zorn. I've wondered how Campbell would have continued to progress in the Al Saunders system, for which his skills seem a much better fit. Joe Flacco is looking pretty damn good in that system with Cam Cameron and Saunders coaching him up.

10-26-2009, 01:07 PM	#9
Beemnseven Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Virginia Beach Age: 52 Posts: 5,311	Re: Campbell's numbers dont lie I heard Casserly on the Dan Patrick show this morning, and Casserly basically said the same thing: this offense doesn't fit with Campbell's strengths. He said that JC would be better in a downfield, play-action type scheme along with moving him around, rolling him out more. One day, I think we'll look back and recognize that the first mistake that got this whole thing rolling downhill was the hiring of Jim Zorn as offensive coordinator. Going from a completely different offense apart from the one that Gibbs ran, which is why he spotted and selected Jason Campbell in the first place, and switching to a West Coast style offense may have set JC back immeasurably.

10-26-2009, 03:33 PM	#11
kdogg3270 Special Teams Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 146	Re: Campbell's numbers dont lie that video was dead on target. sadly, i miss Casserly. we need him back.

10-26-2009, 04:38 PM	#12
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Evanston, IL Age: 38 Posts: 15,994	Re: Campbell's numbers dont lie Campbell has been indecisive, and it's been one of the bigger reasons why the offense has struggled in this four game stretch. Just a reminder that no ones career is defined by a notably poor stretch. When Donovan McNabb retires, people aren't going to remember that he quarterbacked the Eagles teams that lost to the Giants, tied the Bengals, and got blown out by and benched against the Ravens. Yet, all those things were true. They're just non-essential characteristics of who Donovan McNabb is. __________________ according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

10-26-2009, 04:52 PM	#13
budw38 Playmaker Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Northern,Va. Posts: 2,706	Re: Campbell's numbers dont lie I agree that JC would likely be better off on another team/system . But , his deep ball accuracy is horrible , I think he needs to sit behind Peyton or Favre for a couple of years and relax , enjoy the NFL and hope when his time comes he looks great .

10-26-2009, 05:04 PM	#15
CrustyRedskin Playmaker Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: RatherbeinDC, TX Posts: 3,062	Re: Campbell's numbers dont lie We're gonna rally up and kick off in that Philly A$$!!!!!!!! Lets have a little positive attitude!!! Im tired of all this negativity!!! We are supposed to lose!!! But what if we win?? Itl be a shocker!! And thats why they play the game!!! Cant wait! Lets do this!! COme on Defense----Defense----Defense!!! Capital punish!! Make the feathers fly!! I still think Lewis will pull out some old Tecmo Bowl plays!!!

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