Jay Gruden hired as head coach of the Redskins

[NYCskinfan82]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Here's what happened:

Ike Hilliard: "I'm the best coach in the game. When you try me with a sorry coach like Kyle, that's the result you going to get."

Erin Andrews: "That was awesome."

Kyle Shanahan: "Waaaah! Daddy, he hurt my feelings!"

Mike Shanahan: "Ike, you are in timeout. Go to Buffalo and don't come back for a year."

Thanks for the clarification.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by NYCskinfan82

Question, since these coaches are coming back ILB & WR's does that mean they never got along with MS or this is normal leave a team and then come back.

It could mean BA thought they had a good thing going until Shanny F'd it up. More likely though it's simply coincidental, because Jay had Hilliard in Tampa, and the familiarity is there.

[NC_Skins]

Having Haslett on this staff as DC kills this hire for me. I think it's doomed from the get go. Even so, we still should win more games than we did last year. Hard to tell. Why can't the Redskins ever get it right? It's sad because I really like Jay Gruden and many of the other changes.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Having Haslett on this staff as DC kills this hire for me. I think it's doomed from the get go. Even so, we still should win more games than we did last year. Hard to tell. Why can't the Redskins ever get it right? It's sad because I really like Jay Gruden and many of the other changes.

I really understand the dislike for Haslett, and the angst/frustration at keeping him, but I think it's really important to understand that the group that is together has worked well together in the past. I think that is an important part of setting up a 1st time HC to win, not fail. I think it would be different if we had hired Bevel or Whisenhunt and kept Haslett, but we didn't. Gruden has worked and won with Haslett before. Bottomline, I just think it's too early to say they didn't get it right, or that they did.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Having Haslett on this staff as DC kills this hire for me. I think it's doomed from the get go. Even so, we still should win more games than we did last year. Hard to tell. Why can't the Redskins ever get it right? It's sad because I really like Jay Gruden and many of the other changes.

I imagine and hope the leash will be a short one with Has. If the defense starts poor he should be fired midseason. And I dont get not letting the Jets interview him.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I imagine and hope the leash will be a short one with Has. If the defense starts poor he should be fired midseason. And I dont get not letting the Jets interview him.

I don't think that would be prudent. He's going to be given a serious talent influx and it will take time for him to bring it together. There will be a little time needed for the unit to jell and learn to communicate, especially in the secondary where there will be major turnover.

That said, yeah there's no way we should start as poor as we did this year. If he gets that talent and doesn't at least put up a middling performance in the beginning then something is wrong. But I don't think that will happen, he's a solid defensive mind.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I don't think that would be prudent. He's going to be given a serious talent influx and it will take time for him to bring it together. There will be a little time needed for the unit to jell and learn to communicate, especially in the secondary where there will be major turnover.

That said, yeah there's no way we should start as poor as we did this year. If he gets that talent and doesn't at least put up a middling performance in the beginning then something is wrong. But I don't think that will happen, he's a solid defensive mind.

Exactly why you fire 8-10 weeks into the season. More than enough time to see where we are headed. If we come out and are bottom quarter of the league in defense walking paper are in order, we knows how it ends. Haz needs to show improvement pretty quickly, excuse making time is over.

[MTK]

Redskins' Orakpo ranked 3rd-best available free agent | Comcast SportsNet Washington

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Redskins' Orakpo ranked 3rd-best available free agent | Comcast SportsNet Washington

2 thoughts:

1) I don't think the Redskins get any home town discounts this year. Last 2 years with the salary cap penalty, players seemed to give them a bit of a pass. This year everyone knows the Skins have cap room, and if they go too cheap they will lose out.

2) It amazes me, how fickle fans are. Without going back in time, we still hear about Ryan Clark and others who the Skins let go and went after a named guy instead of focusing on homegrown talent. Now we have Orakpo, a homegrown, if not elite, certainly top quality, player in our defense, and there is a segment of fans that want to get rid of him.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

2) It amazes me, how fickle fans are. Without going back in time, we still hear about Ryan Clark and others who the Skins let go and went after a named guy instead of focusing on homegrown talent. Now we have Orakpo, a homegrown, if not elite, certainly top quality, player in our defense, and there is a segment of fans that want to get rid of him.

That segment is the same one that seems to think impact pass rushers do grow on trees.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

That segment is the same one that seems to think impact pass rushers do grow on trees.

Or that anything you do matters if you don't have a strong pass rush.

You can go into a season with Rob Jackson, Brandon Jenkins, and Darryl Tapp splitting time at OLB...but you've punted on the year.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

2 thoughts:


2) It amazes me, how fickle fans are. Without going back in time, we still hear about Ryan Clark and others who the Skins let go and went after a named guy instead of focusing on homegrown talent. Now we have Orakpo, a homegrown, if not elite, certainly top quality, player in our defense, and there is a segment of fans that want to get rid of him.

I hear ya! It's like we're amongst a bunch of cyber Vinnys, lol!

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

2 thoughts:

1) I don't think the Redskins get any home town discounts this year. Last 2 years with the salary cap penalty, players seemed to give them a bit of a pass. This year everyone knows the Skins have cap room, and if they go too cheap they will lose out.

2) It amazes me, how fickle fans are. Without going back in time, we still hear about Ryan Clark and others who the Skins let go and went after a named guy instead of focusing on homegrown talent. Now we have Orakpo, a homegrown, if not elite, certainly top quality, player in our defense, and there is a segment of fans that want to get rid of him.

This.

[Gary84Clark]

Sign RAK

[GTripp0012]

Hard to believe there's any excitement for free agency from people who don't think Orakpo is worth the money he's going to get.

Guys who are better players than Orakpo never get to the market. Orakpo is only this close to the market because the guy in charge of the organization the last four years had a streak of moron in him. Given that about half the board thinks that Orakpo isn't worth the money, but would totally be okay with a large contract for Aqib Talib or Jairus Byrd, I'd call that an inconsistent standard.