RG3 and Gruden?

[Fiversons]

You don't play young players for the sake of playing them so they can get experience... You play the best players you have to win the game...

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Fiversons

You don't play young players for the sake of playing them so they can get experience... You play the best players you have to win the game...

Exactly, and on that note hopefully we can move on from the ODB vs Grant conversation. I feel a little sillier than usual today for even being a part of it.

[Fiversons]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Exactly, and on that note hopefully we can move on from the ODB vs Grant conversation. I feel a little sillier than usual today for even being a part of it.

Yea... While we are at it, let's go ahead and compare Orakpo and LT...

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Fiversons

Yea... While we are at it, let's go ahead and compare Orakpo and LT...

Oh there is no comparison. Orakpo is way better!

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Fiversons

Yea... While we are at it, let's go ahead and compare Orakpo and LT...

More like Jeffcoat is the next LT, if only we let him play of course.

[punch it in]

If we had let Moses play more than we might be looking at the next Anthony Munoz here fellas. Why we continually crap all over sure shot hall of fame careers just because we have control issues is a real problem. Im going to buy a dishwasher and pretend the organization hasnt held these greats back! Later.

[Fiversons]

Originally Posted by punch it in

oh there is no comparison. Orakpo is way better!

lmfao...

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Yup, and Grant is obviously the Jerry Rice in all this.

If only we didn't hold these guys back.

actually, jerry rice jr is the jerry rice in all of this. how soon you all forget.

[DynamiteRave]

I'm not totally sure how people started comparing Grant to ODB...

[diehardskin2982]

I mentioned Grant compared to ODB because their measurables where similar, of course one is a SEC player and the other is a mid-major. Grant has elite catching ability, his issue is speed. If we had not picked up Roberts and DJax, I think by having more playing time Grant would be a better player. Garcon and Morris are 6th rounders, so its possible.

This article put some light on the situation this year...

Washington Redskins, burning out under magnifying glass - The Washington Post

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by That Guy

actually, jerry rice jr is the jerry rice in all of this. how soon you all forget.

Lol. Good catch.

[JoeRedskin]

So, on the RGIII / Gruden front: Insider Buzz: 'Skins Practice Incident Continues to Prove RG3 Is 'Uncoachable' | Bleacher Report

If true, it is really disheartening. The crux of it is this: In practice last week, during 7 on 7 drills, the O is in shotgun formation with 3 WR's split right and 2 WR's split left. Before the play, Gruden comes out and talks to RGIII telling him to throw right as that is where his play will be 95% of the time. Apparently, when the play is then run, Griffin throws left to the 2 WR side and makes the wrong read leading to an interception in practice.

Like I said, if true, that is really bad. The coach tells you where to throw, you ignore him, and make a bad play doing it you're way. If I'm Gruden, I just don't know what to say to that - other than a stream of expletives.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

I mentioned Grant compared to ODB because their measurables where similar, of course one is a SEC player and the other is a mid-major. Grant has elite catching ability, his issue is speed. If we had not picked up Roberts and DJax, I think by having more playing time Grant would be a better player. Garcon and Morris are 6th rounders, so its possible.

The Redskins knew Grant wasn't fast when they drafted him. There are other possession receivers playing in the league who are not fast, either. His problem is that he can be jammed at the LOS, knocked off his route, or outfought for the ball because he is not yet strong enough to succeed in the NFL. He needs to get stronger to play more.

[over the mountain]

[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;1102121]

Like I said, if true, that is really bad. The coach tells you where to throw, you ignore him, and make a bad play doing it you're way. If I'm Gruden, I just don't know what to say to that - other than a stream of expletives.[/QUOTE

i am struggling to find the right words ...

"petulant" isnt the right word but its the word that first comes to my mind.

re grant - he is what he is imo. a 6th round project. hopefully he can develop into a reliable 4, at best a 3.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

So, on the RGIII / Gruden front: Insider Buzz: 'Skins Practice Incident Continues to Prove RG3 Is 'Uncoachable' | Bleacher Report

During the game on Sunday I noticed Griffin angry and yelling at the sideline like a petulant child after HE made a really bad read & throw. Gruden from the sidelines pointed to where Griffin was supposed to throw it and Griffin blew up mad.
I really believe now that RGIII plays to the cameras and does not like to be told his mistakes when he is on the field because the cameras are rolling, as it was 2nd down.
What will it take for him to be more accepting to being coached and the fact that he is not great? After the game I read this article and I was more frustrated with Griffin.
During the game after the 5 yard dink pass he completed to DJax for the long TD that was created by Trent's block and DJax speed....after the TD Griffin stood on the field pointing to the sky and playing to the cameras. Then rather then celebrating with his teammates he looked all around at all of the TV cameras to see which one was pointed at him. I really do not want a QB like that. That shit has to change fast or he can pack his shit go somewhere else.