F$ck Dallas! Game thread

[RedskinJake]

To be fair, it's hard to have a strong hard count when you are more likely to get a false start than offsides. This isn't the first team o-line.

And I don't care if we were 2-9 coming into the game, there was no reason they shouldn't have come out looking for a fight. That was weak.. They laid down right when it mattered. Joe Barry and Perry Fewell are doing a hell of a job coaching a lot of guys up and they played with fire so I'm excited about that but the offense and special teams needs the same.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by calia

So your view is that whatever guesses I (or anyone else on this forum) might make before a single regular season snap about the number of wins should set our expectations for the entire season, irrespective of what we see transpire on the field?



Yes, I thought 6 or 7 wins (and that may turn out to be exactly right). But I also saw better QB play, special teams, and secondary play than I was expecting, which offset somewhat the injuries that we have had throughout the season. And expectations can change over time. For example, I didn't expect we would beat NE this season. But before this season began, I thought we'd be competitive with the Panthers (whose offense hasn't been scary), but by the time that game rolled around, I changed my mind. So yes, I think expecting the team to win last night against a Dallas team with talent but that had not played well this season and was on the brink of elimination wasn't too much to ask -- no matter how many wins I thought were possible in August.

You must take injuries into account the same way you take better play than you expected.
My point was simply that the team you expected to win 6-7 games probably will. It isnt a knock on you or anyone else on the board. Sorry if you take it as one. All that "better play" than you expected must be a result of coaching up the young guys which bodes very well for a young team on the rise.
Just for the record I expected to win last night in a big way. I completely underrated Dallas D. However I am trying to look at the season as a whole. If we finish with 8-9 wins I will consider it a huge success. I already consider it a success for one reason alone. This team would destroy last years team which means that under the current regime we are making strides. I dont give a shit about same old redskins chatter because it is not fair to compare this team to any other in Skins history except last years team. New players, coaches, gm. This is year two. Next year I expect to see a team that would lay this one to waste. HTTR
Edit : i never felt that way when Shanny, Zorn, Gibbs 2.0 were here. Never felt we were building the rite way. This offseason is the biggest offseason for this team in years imo.

[rocnrik]

What I saw was the Redskins got out coached big time! we had no answer for the pass rush..In fact Kirk played darn well with the amount of pressure he was getting. Our D played well..we won the turnover battle yet could do nothing with it ..The play calling was bad ..This loss is on Gruden.

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Originally Posted by rocnrik

What I saw was the Redskins got out coached big time! we had no answer for the pass rush..In fact Kirk played darn well with the amount of pressure he was getting. Our D played well..we won the turnover battle yet could do nothing with it ..The play calling was bad ..This loss is on Gruden.

Gruden did not run backwards and fumble the ball costing us a chance to win and 7 the other way. Gruden did not miss a fg. Gruden did not halt two drives with two of the most disgusting calls of the year. Those four things amount to about a 10-20 point swing, even in a game dominated by defense. He pulled almo n put in jones which was the rite thing to do. KC missed two deep passes by mere inches. I think after the initial and completely out of the ordinary onslaught of blitzes by Dallas he adjusted well. Personnel is just as important as scheme and we do not have the personnel yet. It is not as easy as we make it sound to just do something that works all the time. Once SM builds alittle more I think he n Gruden will make wonderful music together. It is easy to point fingers and blame things on this guy or that guy but the reality is we do not have the personnel yet. That is unfortunately going to take more than two years.

[NoCalHail]

Of course I am upset about the loss, but it's more because it just confirms that the team is still who they largely have been. I had no illusions that this was a 9-7 team. Just because the rest of the division if poor, it doesn't make us better than we were going to be, it just gives us an opportunity to win the division despite still being that kind of team.

We have to face the fact that whatever team wins the NFC East in 2015 is going to stumble backwards into it. None of them are going to go on any kind of run and establish themselves.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by rocnrik

What I saw was the Redskins got out coached big time! we had no answer for the pass rush..In fact Kirk played darn well with the amount of pressure he was getting. Our D played well..we won the turnover battle yet could do nothing with it ..The play calling was bad ..This loss is on Gruden.

I've been a Gruden defender, but last night's game really pissed me off.

I hated the offensive game plan, and the play calling.

Gruden and McVay don't go back to plays or concepts that work or burn teams.

They were killing them with boot, and short passing game.

I guess it was working too well so they need to mix it up? SMH.

If it's working, DO IT, DON'T STOP DOING IT.

EDIT:

Just heard Cooley throw out the stat that we ran the ball 75% on 1st down at 1.8 yards per carry.

I really don't understand this staff sometimes. At times they seem dynamic and innovative and last night they seemed dumb.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

We gotta get a center and a playmaker for the defense in the next draft.

You are right and here's what I would do if I was Scot:

Sign Alex Mack in FA to be our center
Draft Josh Garnett (Stanford) as our LG, I guarantee you we would have the best OL in the NFL.

Re-sign Morris now that he has a heck of line.

Cut Lauvao and McRib.

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Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

You are right and here's what I would do if I was Scot:



Sign Alex Mack in FA to be our center

Draft Josh Garnett (Stanford) as our LG, I guarantee you we would have the best OL in the NFL.



Re-sign Morris now that he has a heck of line.



Cut Lauvao and McRib.

How did I know your solution would have something to do with Stanford. Lol. Why cut Lauvao? Depth depth n more depth.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by punch it in

How did I know your solution would have something to do with Stanford. Lol. Why cut Lauvao? Depth depth n more depth.

Garnett is the best LG in college who happens to play at Stanford where many Current OL have come out of. Mack went to Cal and is a proven pro. We make those moves it's back to the hog glory years. We will have the cash next year, Morris can be resigned on the cheap after 2 subpar years.

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Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Garnett is the best LG in college who happens to play at Stanford where many Current OL have come out of. Mack went to Cal and is a proven pro. We make those moves it's back to the hog glory years. We will have the cash next year, Morris can be resigned on the cheap after 2 subpar years.

Sounds good to me.
OLine and MLB, edge rusher. Need need need.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Sounds good to me.
OLine and MLB, edge rusher. Need need need.

Yep, after Garnett either ILB or S whoever the best player at that position is available, also need to DL to replace Hatcher (would love one more year out of him). Can you imagine Garnett on the L, Sherff on the R.
Those 2 are serious maulers, no one would fuck with us.

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Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Yep, after Garnett either ILB or S whoever the best player at that position is available, also need to DL to replace Hatcher (would love one more year out of him). Can you imagine Garnett on the L, Sherff on the R.

Those 2 are serious maulers, no one would fuck with us.

I have faith in SM.

[sdskinsfan2001]

7 picks, 7 positions I think are priority in no particular order. And not saying they won't or shouldn't pick 2 at same position or sign free agents instead:

TE
LG
C
WR (don't think they'll keep Jackson and Garcon)
OLB
ILB
S

[calia]

Originally Posted by punch it in

You must take injuries into account the same way you take better play than you expected.
My point was simply that the team you expected to win 6-7 games probably will. It isnt a knock on you or anyone else on the board. Sorry if you take it as one. All that "better play" than you expected must be a result of coaching up the young guys which bodes very well for a young team on the rise.
Just for the record I expected to win last night in a big way. I completely underrated Dallas D. However I am trying to look at the season as a whole. If we finish with 8-9 wins I will consider it a huge success. I already consider it a success for one reason alone. This team would destroy last years team which means that under the current regime we are making strides. I dont give a shit about same old redskins chatter because it is not fair to compare this team to any other in Skins history except last years team. New players, coaches, gm. This is year two. Next year I expect to see a team that would lay this one to waste. HTTR
Edit : i never felt that way when Shanny, Zorn, Gibbs 2.0 were here. Never felt we were building the rite way. This offseason is the biggest offseason for this team in years imo.

Can't disagree with anything here. Pissed we didn't fight harder last night but losing hurts a bit more now because we know we are more competitive and actually have the potential to win most weeks.

We need ILB help. After getting roasted by Lee, the contrast was huge (although none of our LBs was particularly disruptive).


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[punch it in]

Originally Posted by calia

Can't disagree with anything here. Pissed we didn't fight harder last night but losing hurts a bit more now because we know we are more competitive and actually have the potential to win most weeks.

We need ILB help. After getting roasted by Lee, the contrast was huge (although none of our LBs was particularly disruptive).


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Need ILB help in the worst way. The more i think about it the more i want that to be our number one priority in the offseason.