2012 Presidential Election (free for all edition)

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by hooskins

Are there any studies out there that say voter fraud actually occurs in any significant amount to need IDs?

I really dont care about any needledick studies.
Because there are so many illegals in this country I'm a firm believer in a national ID.
And just because some egghead hasnt done a "study", it doesnt mean it doesnt happen.
I'm not that naive.

[los panda]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

I really dont care about any needledick studies.
Because there are so many illegals in this country I'm a firm believer in a national ID.
And just because some egghead hasnt done a "study", it doesnt mean it doesnt happen.
I'm not that naive.

i'd trade everyone on wall street for all the illegals in america any day.
hard working people paying taxes vs people playing fantasy football w our economy

that was a huge generalization, but i'm only speaking from my personal experience. anyways, here in ca, they're trying to trick illegals into legally obtaining driver's licenses

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by hooskins

Give me a link. All I've seen is a photo ID is needed.

http://www.dmv.state.pa.us/voter/voteridlaw.shtml

So no SSN card or bills. Poor people and seniors may not have car access to a DMV or the money to pay to get there.

Originally Posted by hooskins

Voter fraud doesn't exist. Period.

http://www.brennancenter.org/content...of_voter_fraud

These facts are too real to counter? Come on folks, give me some legit retorts.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by hooskins

These facts are too real to counter? Come on folks, give me some legit retorts.

The too poor or no access to get to DMV....c'mon man. Anyone who wants to vote and is truly in that situation could simply call the local Dem or GOP office and someone would make a beeline to help them register.

ACORN voter fraud was documented and extensive.

More Acorn Voter Fraud Comes to Light - WSJ.com

Other examples:

Victims of Voter Fraud: Poor and Disadvantaged are Most Likely to Have Their Vote Stolen

Voter fraud certainly does exist.

[RedskinRat]

Here's one reason Obama shouldn't get a second term:

NDAA

US Federal Judge Katherine Forrest in turn agreed (Section 1021) was unconstitutional. Last month Judge Forrest decided that an earlier, temporary injunction on the clause should be made permanent, but the Obama Justice Department pleaded for an emergency stay only hours later. A lone federal appeals judge has since heard that plea and has momentarily blocked Judge Forrest’s injunction. Now pending the results of an appeals panel’s formal investigation, the NDAA’s indefinite detention provision remains on the books.

On Thursday, the plaintiffs in the case — journalist Chris Hedges, activist Tangerine Bolen, Pentagon Papers leaker Dan Ellsberg, their attorneys and others — told users of Reddit to ask them anything.

“The Obama DOJ has vigorously opposed these efforts, and immediately appealed her ruling and requested an emergency stay on the injunction – claiming the US would incur ‘irreparable harm’ if the president lost the power to use Section 1021 – and detain anyone, anywhere until the end of hostilities on a whim. This case will probably make its way to the Supreme Court,” the plaintiffs acknowledged in their introduction.

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

I really dont care about any needledick studies.
Because there are so many illegals in this country I'm a firm believer in a national ID.
And just because some egghead hasnt done a "study", it doesnt mean it doesnt happen.
I'm not that naive.

Haha wow. You aren't "that naive" but naive enough to use your own generalizations and paranoia, which again there are no facts to substantiate, to come to conclusions? Brilliant. Curse and use talking points when quantitative facts are presented.

My point, from my previous post, is proven.

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by hooskins

Haha wow. You aren't "that naive" but naive enough to use your own generalizations and paranoia, which again there are no facts to substantiate, to come to conclusions? Brilliant. Curse and use talking points when quantitative facts are presented.

My point, from my previous post, is proven.

You haven't proven anything other than that you can post links.

[Chico23231]

Mitt come out swinging hard

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Mitt come out swinging hard

It all starts with the power tie. I expected a royal blue or light blue from Romney.....glad to see the power tie and Romney swinging. Win or lose, go down making your case forcefully to the American people.

[budw38]

Most entertaining debate I can remember . I bet Obama and Romney are going out drinking together after the debate

[NC_Skins]

[DynamiteRave]

[DynamiteRave]

Nobody's talking about the debate yet?

To me, Obama fell flat tonight. So much so it was almost a little painful for me. I'm hoping he'll go in for the kill next debate because boy, was that rough.

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

Nobody's talking about the debate yet?

To me, Obama fell flat tonight. So much so it was almost a little painful for me. I'm hoping he'll go in for the kill next debate because boy, was that rough.

As far as facts go, they were both full of it, as usual. Just on pure style I was expecting Obama to win easily, and early on it he was winning. But it didn't last long, and Romney won most of the debate and going away.

I'm trying to be balanced on the substance, below. It helps that on most things like Obamacare vs. Romneycare, neither side is particularly appealing.

Obama should quit trying to strawman Romney on imaginary positions, and keep hammering him on the principles that Romney actually shares with W. Bush which he did. And point out more clearly the economy has improved over time on his watch, even if he hasn't had the dramatic recovery that Clinton and Reagan could point to when they ran for re-election.

Romney should quit saying he's going to repeal whole programs of Obama's then say only change parts of them, and hammer Obama on the lack of recovery in four years, which he did. And point out clearly his success in his previous office and his own plans, which he did in as much detail as other presidential candidates including Senator Obama has done.

I don't expect every debate to be like this, but if they were, Romney would win the election handily.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

As far as facts go, they were both full of it, as usual. Just on pure style I was expecting Obama to win easily, and early on it he was winning. But it didn't last long, and Romney won most of the debate and going away.

I'm trying to be balanced on the substance, below. It helps that on most things like Obamacare vs. Romneycare, neither side is particularly appealing.

Obama should quit trying to strawman Romney on imaginary positions, and keep hammering him on the principles that Romney actually shares with W. Bush which he did. And point out more clearly the economy has improved over time on his watch, even if he hasn't had the dramatic recovery that Clinton and Reagan could point to when they ran for re-election.

Romney should quit saying he's going to repeal whole programs of Obama's then say only change parts of them, and hammer Obama on the lack of recovery in four years, which he did. And point out clearly his success in his previous office and his own plans, which he did in as much detail as other presidential candidates including Senator Obama has done.

I don't expect every debate to be like this, but if they were, Romney would win the election handily.

I agree with you,I was mad at the education segment of the debate ,Romney say Mass has the best schools...nope....
Newsweek's Top 20 High Schools: Northeast - Newsweek and The Daily Beast

only one high school in the top 20 of the northeast and that's out on the Cape.