Jay Gruden hired as head coach of the Redskins

[MTK]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Hard to believe there's any excitement for free agency from people who don't think Orakpo is worth the money he's going to get.

Guys who are better players than Orakpo never get to the market. Orakpo is only this close to the market because the guy in charge of the organization the last four years had a streak of moron in him. Given that about half the board thinks that Orakpo isn't worth the money, but would totally be okay with a large contract for Aqib Talib or Jairus Byrd, I'd call that an inconsistent standard.

Seems like people tend to undervalue our own players and overvalue players from other teams. If Rak was a free agent from another team I'd guess most would be falling all over themselves saying we need to sign him.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Seems like people tend to undervalue our own players and overvalue players from other teams. If Rak was a free agent from another team I'd guess most would be falling all over themselves saying we need to sign him.

I agree.

The other issue for the Redskins defense is that Haslett has lost basically all the talent he has gotten here to free agency at some point or another. He's lost Rogers, Landry, Haynesworth to other teams in trades or free agency, which is a lot of pieces to replace, and to replace them, he was given Josh Wilson and Brandon Meriweather.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Seems like people tend to undervalue our own players and overvalue players from other teams. If Rak was a free agent from another team I'd guess most would be falling all over themselves saying we need to sign him.

Hasn't Snyder and the people he's had run his team done this?

I think the fans with half a football IQ want him to stay. I don't think anyone wants him ran out of town. However the price has to be right. One thing that seems to stand out about Rak is he always seems to have big games against bums. Yet against top competition he's nowhere to be found. Can't pay him 11-12 million a year.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Hard to believe there's any excitement for free agency from people who don't think Orakpo is worth the money he's going to get.

Guys who are better players than Orakpo never get to the market. Orakpo is only this close to the market because the guy in charge of the organization the last four years had a streak of moron in him. Given that about half the board thinks that Orakpo isn't worth the money, but would totally be okay with a large contract for Aqib Talib or Jairus Byrd, I'd call that an inconsistent standard.

Spot on

Probably time to get a poll up about signing Orakpo.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Hard to believe there's any excitement for free agency from people who don't think Orakpo is worth the money he's going to get.

Guys who are better players than Orakpo never get to the market. Orakpo is only this close to the market because the guy in charge of the organization the last four years had a streak of moron in him. Given that about half the board thinks that Orakpo isn't worth the money, but would totally be okay with a large contract for Aqib Talib or Jairus Byrd, I'd call that an inconsistent standard.

What kind of contract do you think Rak deserves?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

what kind of contract do you think rak deserves?

5/$60

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

5/$60

Well obviously all 60 million would not be guaranteed. In realty he's probably looking at a 3 year deal. But even 36 million over that time period is too much. A lot of coin for someone that barely has any sacks against NFC East competition. I guess the market will determine his value.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

5/$60

Way to much for my liking. I'd let him walk at that price. I think we should re-sign him, but there is a point where he's not worth the contract. 12mil/year is beyond that point.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Way to much for my liking. I'd let him walk at that price. I think we should re-sign him, but there is a point where he's not worth the contract. 12mil/year is beyond that point.

To put it in perspective, 10 mil/year is 8% of a 128 million salary cap. 12 mil/year is 9%.

Also, Matthews' extension with Green Bay was for 6/69.

Basically, if 5/60 is too rich for your blood, you don't want Orakpo back. The difference between market value and slightly below market value isn't allowing you to add extra players.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Way to much for my liking. I'd let him walk at that price. I think we should re-sign him, but there is a point where he's not worth the contract. 12mil/year is beyond that point.

Given the high amount of cap space we're going to have, how would you propose using that space to make the team better than it would be in giving Orakpo 5/60M?

[TheSmurfs22]

Keep Rak

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by gtripp0012

5/$60

5/50

[Paintrain]

Letting Orakpo walk would be stupid. While he's not a Hall of Fame pass rusher, he dictates blocking schemes, commands extra attention and can be disruptive in the passing game. 5 yrs, $60 mil sounds about right. Maybe slightly less but if you think it's going to be 5/$50 then you're setting yourself up to be sorely disappointed.

There are way too many fans around here that think there's an elite player tree that is about to just start blooming pass rushers in March and we would have one for the choosing.

Rak is one of the 3-5 players on our roster that could walk right into a championship level roster and be an immediate starter. We need more of those types of players, not less of them. Pay the man.

BTW how did the Jay Gruden thread become the all encompassing 'discuss all things offseason' thread?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

BTW how did the Jay Gruden thread become the all encompassing 'discuss all things offseason' thread?

Fitting, no?

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Letting Orakpo walk would be stupid. While he's not a Hall of Fame pass rusher, he dictates blocking schemes, commands extra attention and can be disruptive in the passing game. 5 yrs, $60 mil sounds about right. Maybe slightly less but if you think it's going to be 5/$50 then you're setting yourself up to be sorely disappointed.

There are way too many fans around here that think there's an elite player tree that is about to just start blooming pass rushers in March and we would have one for the choosing.

Rak is one of the 3-5 players on our roster that could walk right into a championship level roster and be an immediate starter. We need more of those types of players, not less of them. Pay the man.

BTW how did the Jay Gruden thread become the all encompassing 'discuss all things offseason' thread?

Excellent argument.