F$ck Dallas! Game thread

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Garnett is the best LG in college who happens to play at Stanford where many Current OL have come out of. Mack went to Cal and is a proven pro. We make those moves it's back to the hog glory years. We will have the cash next year, Morris can be resigned on the cheap after 2 subpar years.

If Gruden is coming back there is 0 chance that Morris is resigned. It's painfully obvious that he doesn't like Morris.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Yep, after Garnett either ILB or S whoever the best player at that position is available, also need to DL to replace Hatcher (would love one more year out of him). Can you imagine Garnett on the L, Sherff on the R.
Those 2 are serious maulers, no one would fuck with us.

Like you, I feel that we need to finish the OL build.You mentioned Alex Mack. I would be 100% on board with signing him but are you sure he will be a FA?

As for DL, signing Muhammad Wilkerson as a FA would be perfect for me.

I think that Mason Foster showed us on Monday how much we need more speed at the LB positions. I've always liked Foster as a player and I hopes he sticks around as part of our ILB rotation.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

I've been a Gruden defender, but last night's game really pissed me off.

I hated the offensive game plan, and the play calling.

Gruden and McVay don't go back to plays or concepts that work or burn teams.

They were killing them with boot, and short passing game.

I guess it was working too well so they need to mix it up? SMH.

If it's working, DO IT, DON'T STOP DOING IT.

EDIT:

Just heard Cooley throw out the stat that we ran the ball 75% on 1st down at 1.8 yards per carry.

I really don't understand this staff sometimes. At times they seem dynamic and innovative and last night they seemed dumb.

I agree 100%.

I'm on the fence about Gruden and here's why:

On the positive side, I think that the team plays hard for him and that he and his position coaches are doing a good job of developing young talent.

On the other hand, I think that his too-conservative and very predictable play-calling is holding back the team, as you described.

Gruden has his flaws, yet I hate the idea of going through yet another HC change. I'm wondering if SM could step in and make it work with Gruden as HC by insisting that Gruden hire an experienced and successful OC to call the plays and spice up the offense next season.

[NoCalHail]

Therein lies the dilemma though. Do you fire a coach go who's scheme itself seems solid, but the play calling is questionable? Is there a way to address the play calling itself without making changes in staff?

This was one of my main issues with Kyle SHanahan being his daddy's underling. I actually quite liked Kyle's scheme concepts, however I felt he wasn't the greatest at calling plays in certain situations and I always felt that maybe his dad and him bumped heads with their philosophy and approach. I really would have liked to see what Kyle could have done without having to get approval from his daddy.

[Schneed10]

Our predictable tendencies are dictated by injuries and the lack of a few competencies at key positions. You've seen Jordan Reed get flagged a million times when trying to block. He sucks at it, doesn't get his feet into proper position to allow a powerful engagement. We don't have TEs that can block well, so we put Compton in as a 2nd TE and that just absolutely gives away that we're running.

The Niles Paul injury has been extremely costly. He was going to be our do-it-all TE. Then when we lost both Steiger and Lauvao we find ourselves getting beat in the interior too often. We set the edge pretty well - Trent and Moses do well there and Scherff is getting to the 2nd level well. But too often we give up penetration in the middle between LeRib and Long.

We can't run between the tackles because of them, everything goes to the edge. Again, too much of a tendency, but what can Jay do?

McC is doing a great job building depth but we simply need more. Give him a few more drafts and this thing might look pretty good. I don't think Jay would have the same tendencies if he had some core competencies on the field.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Our predictable tendencies are dictated by injuries and the lack of a few competencies at key positions. You've seen Jordan Reed get flagged a million times when trying to block. He sucks at it, doesn't get his feet into proper position to allow a powerful engagement. We don't have TEs that can block well, so we put Compton in as a 2nd TE and that just absolutely gives away that we're running.

The Niles Paul injury has been extremely costly. He was going to be our do-it-all TE. Then when we lost both Steiger and Lauvao we find ourselves getting beat in the interior too often. We set the edge pretty well - Trent and Moses do well there and Scherff is getting to the 2nd level well. But too often we give up penetration in the middle between LeRib and Long.

We can't run between the tackles because of them, everything goes to the edge. Again, too much of a tendency, but what can Jay do?

McC is doing a great job building depth but we simply need more. Give him a few more drafts and this thing might look pretty good. I don't think Jay would have the same tendencies if he had some core competencies on the field.

well said!

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Our predictable tendencies are dictated by injuries and the lack of a few competencies at key positions. You've seen Jordan Reed get flagged a million times when trying to block. He sucks at it, doesn't get his feet into proper position to allow a powerful engagement. We don't have TEs that can block well, so we put Compton in as a 2nd TE and that just absolutely gives away that we're running.



The Niles Paul injury has been extremely costly. He was going to be our do-it-all TE. Then when we lost both Steiger and Lauvao we find ourselves getting beat in the interior too often. We set the edge pretty well - Trent and Moses do well there and Scherff is getting to the 2nd level well. But too often we give up penetration in the middle between LeRib and Long.



We can't run between the tackles because of them, everything goes to the edge. Again, too much of a tendency, but what can Jay do?



McC is doing a great job building depth but we simply need more. Give him a few more drafts and this thing might look pretty good. I don't think Jay would have the same tendencies if he had some core competencies on the field.

Exactly. I love how people think an nfl coach simply does not understand the game. Lol. If it were so easy to just plug n play with anybody there would never be a bad team.

[skinsfaninok]

Yeah jay is doing what he can with what he's got. This roster is a solid one but it's not a true playoff contender yet.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Our predictable tendencies are dictated by injuries and the lack of a few competencies at key positions. You've seen Jordan Reed get flagged a million times when trying to block. He sucks at it, doesn't get his feet into proper position to allow a powerful engagement. We don't have TEs that can block well, so we put Compton in as a 2nd TE and that just absolutely gives away that we're running.

The Niles Paul injury has been extremely costly. He was going to be our do-it-all TE. Then when we lost both Steiger and Lauvao we find ourselves getting beat in the interior too often. We set the edge pretty well - Trent and Moses do well there and Scherff is getting to the 2nd level well. But too often we give up penetration in the middle between LeRib and Long.

We can't run between the tackles because of them, everything goes to the edge. Again, too much of a tendency, but what can Jay do?

McC is doing a great job building depth but we simply need more. Give him a few more drafts and this thing might look pretty good. I don't think Jay would have the same tendencies if he had some core competencies on the field.

I get what your saying and agree in spirit. It isn't the team he wants. I agree 100% losing Niles Paul was huge and would argue losing Paulson is big too based on the preference for running out of 2 TE sets and Reed's tendency to get flagged. I believe they could actually have all three of those guys on the field on certain plays and kill it with Reed in the slot or even motioning out as a receiver.

But we don't have those guys.

We have a probowl level FB.

I'm really disappointed that this staff can't work a dude of DY's caliber into the game. Especially when you see other teams doing it with success. Greenbay, Carolina, and Seattle are all examples of teams using a FB with success. I'm pretty sure Seattle's FB even poses no threat to catch a pass out of the backfield.

Is Callahan the delicate genius (from Seinfeld) who won't run with 2 backs?

If they are determined to run the ball between the tackles without regard to it working or not, then why not try a 2 back set. DY can catch better that Compton and Nseke and at least poses some threat vs. no threat.

The coaches seem to have tried everything but putting a really talented player (DY) in the game without success, why not try it?

And to answer your question directly as to what Jay could do, he could have called boot until the LBs stopped ignoring KC. Watching the game live I realized the boot plays were successful but after listening to the radio on Tuesday and going back and watching most of the game again, Cooley and CP are right. Dallas' LB and DE were completely ignoring Kirk on boot.

Just keep calling it, the worst thing that should happen on that play is he throws it in the dirt or out of bounds. It might even open up the run game a bit.

As far as tendencies, this team has moved the ball the best doing the west coast style. We want to be a running team, but right now we just aren't. Assuming that's correct, why not do more west coast passing and earlier in the game while the score is closer?

Put Jones in the backfield out of shotgun, he can run, block, or catch.

I'm an armchair expert who knows just enough to embarrass myself on a fan forum but even after a day or two am still extremely frustrated by the decisions made in that game.

[NoCalHail]

Exactly. No one is asking Jay to hire Mike Martz mid-season and try running the greatest show on turf, but through the course of our games you can see tiny examples of thing that work, yet we keep going back to the stuff that doesn't work.

More throwing on 1st down for starters. That doesn't "change the offense" but what it does is give us a chance to get chunks of yards on 1st down instead of running on 1st down 16 of 23 times which usually sets up 2nd and 8.

I understand if he WANTS to use the run to setup the pass, but right now the personnel is not allowing for us to get significant yardage on 1st down runs, so replace those with Matt Jones screens, or slant routes or other quick passing plays.

Just stuff like that.