Cousins Saga 4.0. Is he done in DC?

[RobH4413]

Schneed, I gotta disagree with you on several of your points here.

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I think this just ignores circumstances entirely though. The question isn't how has Cousins performed. The question is how could other QBs have performed behind a line that features Trent and Moses, Scherff, and an improving center position.

First off, I do not think a lot of those QB’s would perform as well as Cousins with the tools Cousins had. He showed up and consistently produced in this offense with the rag tag motley crew of 2nd stringers. No Jordan Reed, No WR’s, CT out, no problem lets throw up 300 Yards on NO and DEN.

Originally Posted by Schneed10

In games where Reed and Thompson were both on the field, or where we had one and not the other, Cousins's numbers were drastically better. Chucking a screen to Chris Thompson and watching Brandon Scherff go 20 yards downfield to block the free safety, springing Thompson for a TD looks pretty good on the stat sheet for Cousins.

Is this really a point? That Cousins numbers looked better when he had better players? Yeah, Drew Bree’s numbers probably get better too when he has Alvin Kamara to check down. Tom Brady has screen passes that get taken to the house too.

Originally Posted by Schneed10

The question is what does Cousins CREATE for us. Like, if you're in the playoffs and you need a QB to make a play late in the game to keep the chains moving, Cousins can do it sometimes. But Aaron Rodgers, Carson Wentz, Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger, Russell Wilson, Drew Brees, and several others can do it much much more often.

Yes, I agree with you that Cousins isn’t Tom Brady. That’s obvious to everyone that watches football. He won’t be a top 5 elite QB, EVER. He doesn’t create like them, he doesn’t have the size. We know this. What we do see this season is significant improvements in his game (look at his rushing TD’s, extending plays with his legs, etc). That’s encouraging and worth investing in. He is an accurate passer that can get play makers the ball and continues to improve his game.

The question is, how he and our offense will perform versus the options available for us moving forward. I’ll take Cousins over any of those options available right now by a wide margin.

Lastly, I can get behind an argument that it's not worth the money considering the deficiencies we have. It's 100% a valid argument to question whether or not we would be able to build a championship team with Cousins at a high cap number. You have to draw a line somewhere, and to me, It's $28M/YR. The salary cap will continue to rise, and IMO we will have the flexibility to build through the draft and can put a team together at that number.

If he asks for $28,000,001 we let him walk and move on.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I don't think the dropoff from Kirk to Colt is drastic. From what we'd lose in arm talent we'd pick up with more playmaking ability. I remember a few years ago most of the fanbase was saying the EXACT same thing about Cousins. Most people were calling Cousins Rex Grossman...lol. My thing w/ Colt is he hasn't played in years and is he durable?

It is one thing where you come in off the bench and opposing defenses do not have time to game plan you. It is completely different when you are the starter and the book is written on how to beat you. Colt will get killed once NFL defenses have time to game plan him.
Colt will be concussed by game three and he can join Jordan Reed on the injury bench next year.

[irish]

IMO, there is zero chance that McCoy is the starter next year. The fan base just wont stand for it.

Do I think Cousins is worth the huge amount of money that he will get? No. But its his time, he bet on himself and won. Next year it will be someone else's turn and people will be saying he's not worth it.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by irish

IMO, there is zero chance that McCoy is the starter next year. The fan base just wont stand for it.

Do I think Cousins is worth the huge amount of money that he will get? No. But its his time, he bet on himself and won. Next year it will be someone else's turn and people will be saying he's not worth it.

Based on Keim's stats, that so few of the teams with top paid QBs made the playoffs, they're probably more likely right than wrong.

[skinsfaninok]

RG3 is available and I saw his video of basketball, dude is ready

[Schneed10]

What I don't want people to think is that I'm saying we shouldn't sign Cousins. I still lean towards that being our best option.

I'm just acknowledging that I don't like either of our options. Whether you sign him, or whether you let him walk, I don't think we're contending for a SB title anytime soon.

If we go with Cousins we're guaranteed to be outclassed at the QB position if we're able to make it deeper into the playoffs. We're outclassed by Wentz, Rodgers, Wilson, and Brees in the NFC. We probably go toe to toe with Ryan and Cam.

And if we let him walk, then we may not see an even capable one come along for ten years.

I'm not saying he's not our best option, I'm just saying our options fucking suck and it's depressing. I have to keep it real.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I don't think the dropoff from Kirk to Colt is drastic. My thing w/ Colt is he hasn't played in years and is he durable?

Colt can't finish a 16 game schedule. He will get hurt.

I would have agreed with your first statement 2 years ago but kirk has really developed as a QB and his understanding of the game has improved dramatically since then.

[Schneed10]

And jury's out on Jimmy G, Goff, and Winston.

I'd take Cousins over those guys right now, but ask me this time next year and I may feel differently.

[Schneed10]

And I get the discussion around Colt as an option but it's important not to hone in on that as the only option. If Cousins leaves remember that Bridgewater, Keenum, Bradford, and Tyrod Taylor are all in play. Not to mention rookies.

It doesn't have to be Colt or bust. If we don't have Cousins, it should be Colt plus one of those vets, or Colt plus a 1st round rookie.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

And jury's out on Jimmy G, Goff, and Winston.

I'd take Cousins over those guys right now, but ask me this time next year and I may feel differently.

Jimmy G won't be Tom Brady and SF fans are crazy if they think he is.

Winston isn't accurate at all, he's a better version of Dak but that is it.

Goff is good

[rocnrik]

Folks seem to think Denver could go after Kirk, I find it interesting with the 5th overall pick that Denver would think that Cousins would be the guy. IF they are correct then Redskins need to think hard about who they would pick with 13th pick two replace Cousins. With the 5th pick you would think a top QB would be there. Could it be possible that other teams know more than the Redskins do..Im not sure that whatever we do will be the right move.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

And I get the discussion around Colt as an option but it's important not to hone in on that as the only option. If Cousins leaves remember that Bridgewater, Keenum, Bradford, and Tyrod Taylor are all in play. Not to mention rookies.

It doesn't have to be Colt or bust. If we don't have Cousins, it should be Colt plus one of those vets, or Colt plus a 1st round rookie.

I dont see MIN letting Keenum walk, Sam yes. That list sucks tho, I'd rather draft a rookie and just play him

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by rocnrik

Folks seem to think Denver could go after Kirk, I find it interesting with the 5th overall pick that Denver would think that Cousins would be the guy. IF they are correct then Redskins need to think hard about who they would pick with 13th pick two replace Cousins. With the 5th pick you would think a top QB would be there. Could it be possible that other teams know more than the Redskins do..Im not sure that whatever we do will be the right move.

Elway wants to win now and so he needs a proven QB, he tried that with Lynch and he stinks.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

What I don't want people to think is that I'm saying we shouldn't sign Cousins. I still lean towards that being our best option.

I'm just acknowledging that I don't like either of our options. Whether you sign him, or whether you let him walk, I don't think we're contending for a SB title anytime soon.
If we go with Cousins we're guaranteed to be outclassed at the QB position if we're able to make it deeper into the playoffs. We're outclassed by Wentz, Rodgers, Wilson, and Brees in the NFC. We probably go toe to toe with Ryan and Cam.

And if we let him walk, then we may not see an even capable one come along for ten years.

I'm not saying he's not our best option, I'm just saying our options fucking suck and it's depressing. I have to keep it real.

Things change quick in the NFL. Eagles, Rams, etc.

[sandtrapjack]

I don't know what else he needs to prove. KC has been consistent and playing a a high level for 3 years. Has not missed a start since taking over.

Show me any other QB that puts up over 4k yards and 27 TD's after losing his offensive coordinator and two 1,000 yard receivers in the same year. Tough task.

If there is a Free Agent QB out there that in 3 years has averaged 4,400 yards, 27 TDs to 12 INTs with a 66% comp and a rating of 94, the front office would go after that guy in free agency. And that is what KC has done since becoming the full time starter.

I am not saying that he is in the same conversation with Brady, Rodgers and Big Ben. But he has earned his shot to be in the conversation on the next tier.

Question is, when (not if) KC walks, who you gonna get? And in free agency, I would take Cousins over Alex Smith.