Campbell's numbers dont lie

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

you're leaving a couple names off of some players having good years less than 3 years in the system

orton, schaub, henne is showing promise but too early to call it,

Yup, Brady and Roethlisberger also come to mind (in their 1st couple of years).

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by Green1

You guys are funny. Look at the league, ever successful QB, except Flacco and Ryan have been in the same Offensive system for long periods of time. Changing everything every year has not worked yet nor will it ever. The longer the QB is in the same system the more successful he is...look it up.

And look how terrible Brees was when he went to the Saints from the Chargers. It took him a good 5 years to get acclimated. And remember how Brady came in for Bledsoe and screwed everything up. They could have gone far in the playoffs that year if only Brady had more time to learn the system. Pennington sucked last year too when he went to the Dolphins. It's all about time in the system. I agree.

[skins89moss]

I was a JC supporter all the way this season but he has regressed this year. I know his line sucks but he is not the leader you need at the QB position. JC is to laid back and just does not have that take charge approach we need for the offense. Give me a leader at QB that can get in the players ass when they fuk up a play. Our coach even is to soft , we need Gruden to get this team to have a attitude.

[tryfuhl]

Campbell saw the guy coming, but batted passes do happen. If I recall correctly Moss didn't even have a shot at the ball either had it gotten through.

I know why you're comparing him to Sanchez, but it's an unfair comparison to Sanchez.. Cutler doesn't have a lot to work with either but that's his fault for being a baby.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

Campbell saw the guy coming, but batted passes do happen. If I recall correctly Moss didn't even have a shot at the ball either had it gotten through.

I know why you're comparing him to Sanchez, but it's an unfair comparison to Sanchez.. Cutler doesn't have a lot to work with either but that's his fault for being a baby.

Hey, if we had brought in Sanchez, we'd have a rookie that the stats and film show is less mobile than Campbell to get killed behind this line, while trying to learn the system from Zorn, who apparently may not be the best teacher.

If we brought in Cutler, same story, a cannon arm like Campbell but no protection and he's not a runner either. The INT totals would probably be even greater with the Skins rather than the Bears, with no upgrade over Campbell.


I am keeping this thread running because it shows that we're not only better off with Campbell than the other two rumored Redskin QBs, he's actually performing better with much less to work with, as the stats show. He's leading them all in nearly every category. As the title says, Campbell's numbers don't lie.

[SOUL-SKINS]

Originally Posted by Buster

Hey, if we had brought in Sanchez, we'd have a rookie that the stats and film show is less mobile than Campbell to get killed behind this line, while trying to learn the system from Zorn, who apparently may not be the best teacher.

If we brought in Cutler, same story, a cannon arm like Campbell but no protection and he's not a runner either. The INT totals would probably be even greater with the Skins rather than the Bears, with no upgrade over Campbell.


I am keeping this thread running because it shows that we're not only better off with Campbell than the other two rumored Redskin QBs, he's actually performing better with much less to work with, as the stats show. He's leading them all in nearly every category. As the title says, Campbell's numbers don't lie.

Please tell me this is a joke. Look at who we've played. Some of the worst defensive teams in the league.Campbell is a really slow processing Qb. Would a better o-line help. Of course, but for you to say Campbell is better than Cutler is just flat out insane. Dude, Campbell is a joke. I can't believe people are still defending him!!!!!

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by SOUL-SKINS

Please tell me this is a joke. Look at who we've played. Some of the worst defensive teams in the league.Campbell is a really slow processing Qb. Would a better o-line help. Of course, but for you to say Campbell is better than Cutler is just flat out insane. Dude, Campbell is a joke. I can't believe people are still defending him!!!!!

See thread title.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Buster

I am keeping this thread running because it shows that we're not only better off with Campbell than the other two rumored Redskin QBs, he's actually performing better with much less to work with, as the stats show. He's leading them all in nearly every category. As the title says, Campbell's numbers don't lie.

This year maybe so.. into the future.. who knows. These two may very well still be starting while Campbell is wearing a headset. You can also make a comparison on the teams that we've played.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by Buster

Hey, if we had brought in Sanchez, we'd have a rookie that the stats and film show is less mobile than Campbell to get killed behind this line, while trying to learn the system from Zorn, who apparently may not be the best teacher.

If we brought in Cutler, same story, a cannon arm like Campbell but no protection and he's not a runner either. The INT totals would probably be even greater with the Skins rather than the Bears, with no upgrade over Campbell.


I am keeping this thread running because it shows that we're not only better off with Campbell than the other two rumored Redskin QBs, he's actually performing better with much less to work with, as the stats show. He's leading them all in nearly every category. As the title says, Campbell's numbers don't lie.

I agree with you Buster, but I still don't think he is the "one" to get us to the promised land. The line sucks, but the line wasn't so bad when I saw the Skins play the Lions and he held the ball waayyyyyyy too long and looked like he couldn't make up his mind what to do. He still misses wide open WRs like poor Kelly, etc. Also, he isn't the guy because by the time we do get a nice line in place he might be on the downside of his career(if it is like 5 years). Last but not least, unless Snyder breaks down and gets a GM, I think JC is gone. What Snyder and Cerrato did with JC this offseason was horrendous, and it shows me Snyder doesn't have much faith in the guy.

[MTK]

With this OL honestly it wouldn't matter who is playing QB. Still, the future for JC with this team looks bleak at best.

[BrunellMVP?]

I don't think campbell is to blame alone but I do think its painfully clear he cannot handle the pressures of being a starting QB in the NFL (at least without a great line). It could be that we (the redskins) killed him (with a crappy line) but i'm no longer willing to make excuses for him (as I have in the past). He doesn't seem to be improving (when he was before).
In my opinion, for JC to thrive he needs a new system and a better line. That said, I highly doubt that any team gives him that opportunity- the broncos didn't want him (over orton), who is going to make him their guy (oakland?)

[SmootSmack]

It could be worse. We could have Jamarcus Russell

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

It could be worse. We could have Jamarcus Russell

Or Mr. 2-17, Derek Anderson!

[Monkeydad]

I believe the best course of action is:

*Draft another QB. Maybe McCoy, anyone but Tebow. I'd prefer that we pick up a top O-lineman with the high pick we're going to have, but as long as we cover the O-line throughout the draft, I'll be happy.

*Start Campbell with the new coach, hopefully Gruden. With a good line and new coach, I truly believe Campbell will be GREAT...not just good enough, but great. IF he can't cut it with an offensive line and new coach, the rookie or Colt Brennan steps in and it's officially the end of his era.

Campbell is playing very well this year in this Titanic-like offense. With a complete team and competent staff around him, I believe he'll do great things. We can't continue a QB carousel, we've been doing it since Rypien and it is clearly not working. Let's truly develop a QB into our leader.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by Buster

I believe the best course of action is:

*Draft another QB. Maybe McCoy, anyone but Tebow. I'd prefer that we pick up a top O-lineman with the high pick we're going to have, but as long as we cover the O-line throughout the draft, I'll be happy.

*Start Campbell with the new coach, hopefully Gruden. With a good line and new coach, I truly believe Campbell will be GREAT...not just good enough, but great. IF he can't cut it with an offensive line and new coach, the rookie or Colt Brennan steps in and it's officially the end of his era.

Campbell is playing very well this year in this Titanic-like offense. With a complete team and competent staff around him, I believe he'll do great things. We can't continue a QB carousel, we've been doing it since Rypien and it is clearly not working. Let's truly develop a QB into our leader.

I still don't understand how you can say that Campbell is playing very well. There was a number of plays that were completely his fault this year, including many last night.

He has developed the physical tools to play qb in the nfl, but not a lot of mental skills. As a quarterback, decision-making is THE most important skill to have.