McNabb a REDSKIN!

[warpaint]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Ok, so what you are saying, basically, is that since they let Brian Westbrook go, Byron no longer could give us inside information, therefore... we should give up 2 picks, 11mill without a guarantee past this year, so we have inside info on a team that we are one one season removed from sweeping with JC. Got it. I change my mind GREAT move. HAIL TO THE NEW BOSS, (same as the old boss?)

I didnt say anything about Westbrook. Who is BYRON?

We gave up a 2nd rounder and a possible 4th next year. Yes its worth it.

A contract will be worked out. We are not giving up a pick next year if there isnt a chance of signing a longer contract.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

I say we keep focused on rebuilding the offensive and defensive lines, our offensive backfield (which looks like we've done a good job with that) and our defensive secondary. No denying we need a top notch QB, but I just don't believe a deal with McNabb is the way to go.

With that said, look for the McNabb to be signed by five o'clock tomorrow evening..lol!

I said this in the other Donovan McNabb thread...lol! Does this mean I can take credit (or the heat) for DM coming to Washington?

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

I said this in the other Donovan McNabb thread...lol! Does this mean I can take credit (or the heat) for DM coming to Washington?

You were at least 3 hours off! ;-)

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by warpaint

The reason I said that is, DM5 knows their tendecies on both sides of the ball. He knows their offense like the back of his hand and their snap counts. Which is going to be helpful for our D. He also knows how Andy gameplanes which is another plus.

People always think this, but it never works. Reid is no idiot. He'll change things up appropriately.

[johno]

There are some pretty bold statements in the link below written by John Clayton over at ESPN, including this little number: "The McNabb trade makes the Redskins and Cowboys the early favorites to win the NFC East, and puts the Eagles, who have moved 10 players this offseason, into just a wild-card possibility at best."

Wow John Clayton, thats a little too bold. I mean god knows I hope its true, but sheesh.


NFL: In obtaining Donovan McNabb from the Philadelphia Eagles, the Washington Redskins have greatly improved their playoff chances - ESPN

[MTK]

He's a 33 which is not old for a QB in this league. Look at some of the playoff QBs last year, Warner 37, Favre 40, Manning 33, Brees 30. It's not uncommon for guys to play well into their late 30s these days. So I'm really not understanding those that think McNabb is going to be done in a year or two. He could easily play another 5 years, especially in an offense like this that is going to feature the run.

[12thMan]

To piggy back on SmootSmack's thoughts:

The more this story unfolds, it's apparent that McNabb pushed for Washington once he learned of them as a possible suitor. And out of some weird moral obligation towards McNabb, Reid and Co. obliged. So as much as this looks like it had Snyder's stamp, all statements seem to be contrary.

There's a lot of rubbish in this thread about McNabb not being a playmaker or not having pocket presence. Bull puckey! I'm not sure what McNabb you guys have been watching, but on his worst day he has more pocket presence than Jason Campbell.

Truth is we don't need McNabb to be great and he'll be in a more balance attack here. That's one of the biggest misnomer about this trade, we just need him be great in the fourth quarter of about half dozen games that Jason couldn't, for one reason or another, close over the past couple of years.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

To piggy back on SmootSmack's thoughts:

The more this story unfolds, it's apparent that McNabb pushed for Washington once he learned of them as a possible suitor. And out of some weird moral obligation towards McNabb, Reid and Co. obliged. So as much as this looks like it had Snyder's stamp, all statements seem to be contrary.

There's a lot of rubbish in this thread about McNabb not being a playmaker or not having pocket presence. Bull puckey! I'm not sure what McNabb you guys have been watching, but on his worst day he has more pocket presence than Jason Campbell.

Truth is we don't need McNabb to be great and he'll be in a more balance attack here. That's one of the biggest misnomer about this trade, we just need him be great in the fourth quarter of about half dozen games that Jason couldn't, for one reason or another, close over the past couple of years.

I honestly don't understand this type of thinking either. Just don't get it at all. We're talking about one of the better QBs in the league, the comparisons to JC are just laughable.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I honestly don't understand this type of thinking either. Just don't get it at all. We're talking about one of the better QBs in the league, the comparisons to JC are just laughable.

The comparisons are because people are wanting to use STATS. I'm not a stats person and I'll say McNabb is most likely better then JC, but the stats don't show it. If you start when McNabb came into the league then he will blow JC out of the water, but if you use last yrs stats or the last couple yrs stats cause that shows a better evaluation of what your getting now then JC's stats are comparable.

Plus JC had a horrible OL to play behind, a bad HC, a bad scheme, and not as good of WR's. The only consulation I can think of is Shanahan will have a better system, coached up WR's, hopefully a decent OL.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

The comparisons are because people are wanting to use STATS. I'm not a stats person and I'll say McNabb is most likely better then JC, but the stats don't show it. If you start when McNabb came into the league then he will blow JC out of the water, but if you use last yrs stats or the last couple yrs stats cause that shows a better evaluation of what your getting now then JC's stats are comparable.

Plus JC had a horrible OL to play behind, a bad HC, a bad scheme, and not as good of WR's. The only consulation I can think of is Shanahan will have a better system, coached up WR's, hopefully a decent OL.

Comparing these two is a joke, I mean really.

Donovan McNabb: Career Stats

Jason Campbell: Career Stats

We shouldn't even be talking about these 2 in the same sentence. One guy is one of the top guys in the league, the other guy we can't even give away at this point.

Stats aside, anyone who tries to say that JC is in the same ballpark as McNabb is simply kidding themselves.

[Redskin Jim]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Comparing these two is a joke, I mean really.

Donovan McNabb: Career Stats

Jason Campbell: Career Stats

We shouldn't even be talking about these 2 in the same sentence. One guy is one of the top guys in the league, the other guy we can't even give away at this point.

Stats aside, anyone who tries to say that JC is in the same ballpark as McNabb is simply kidding themselves.

THIS. Well said Matty.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Comparing these two is a joke, I mean really.

Donovan McNabb: Career Stats

Jason Campbell: Career Stats

We shouldn't even be talking about these 2 in the same sentence. One guy is one of the top guys in the league, the other guy we can't even give away at this point.

Stats aside, anyone who tries to say that JC is in the same ballpark as McNabb is simply kidding themselves.

I won't argue career wise that JC is in the same ballpark, but in the upcoming 2010-2013 seasons, DM does not so upgrade our qb spot that we give up a very high 2nd and 4th next year for him. If this trade was in 2006, it would have been a steal. Now, it's just an old vet overpriced for a year or 3. Hopefully it goes like the Fletcher acquisition, but it reeks of Jason Taylor desperation.

[diehard]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Comparing these two is a joke, I mean really.

Donovan McNabb: Career Stats

Jason Campbell: Career Stats

We shouldn't even be talking about these 2 in the same sentence. One guy is one of the top guys in the league, the other guy we can't even give away at this point.

Stats aside, anyone who tries to say that JC is in the same ballpark as McNabb is simply kidding themselves.

McNabb's career stats won't mean shit if THE SKINS don't go deep into the playoffs! To answer the the question, 'What have you done for me lately?', neither one of these QBs have done much for THE SKINS, therefore they are one of the same. McNabb is a future HOF... as a Eagle.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

The comparisons are because people are wanting to use STATS. I'm not a stats person and I'll say McNabb is most likely better then JC, but the stats don't show it. If you start when McNabb came into the league then he will blow JC out of the water, but if you use last yrs stats or the last couple yrs stats cause that shows a better evaluation of what your getting now then JC's stats are comparable.

Plus JC had a horrible OL to play behind, a bad HC, a bad scheme, and not as good of WR's. The only consulation I can think of is Shanahan will have a better system, coached up WR's, hopefully a decent OL.

I really don't care about that. When the game is on the line JC can't put the team on his back and win a game 2 or 3. He just can't do it. I love the guy as a person, classy stand up guy but he just didn't make enough plays to help the team win. Shanahan and Allen have done thier homework on JC and I trust them. McNabb gives us what our offense has been missing, big play, home run type ability.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I really don't care about that. When the game is on the line JC can't put the team on his back and win a game 2 or 3. He just can't do it. I love the guy as a person, classy stand up guy but he just didn't make enough plays to help the team win. Shanahan and Allen have done thier homework on JC and I trust them. McNabb gives us what our offense has been missing, big play, home run type ability.

That about sums it up. They've obviously seen all they need to see, and there's no way Campbell stays here in any capacity.

The bummer about this whole deal is that we probably won't get squat for JC now. Then again, if we somehow got rid of him before this deal, then the Eagles might have been able to demand more for McNabb.