2009 Free Agents

[CRedskinsRule]

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He does know Wade Phillips Defense, as does Brookings. Probably good pickups for them.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

NFL.com Blogs » Blog Archive Cowboys fill defensive-line hole with Olshansky «

He does know Wade Phillips Defense, as does Brookings. Probably good pickups for them.

A decent pickup, but a slower, less athletic version of Chris Canty. It's still a downgrade compared to Canty.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by GMScud

A decent pickup, but a slower, less athletic version of Chris Canty. It's still a downgrade compared to Canty.

Do you think we would have continued to go after Canty had we cut JT earlier?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by 44ever

Do you think we would have continued to go after Canty had we cut JT earlier?

Absoultely I think that. I think you have to understand that we were looking at them to play two different positions in the defense, but we didn't pursue Canty because of a money allocation issue, which was less of an issue upon Taylor's release.

[T.O.Killa]

What the hell are we going to do for a defensive end and a linebacker?

[Ruhskins]

Looks like the negotiations between Tomlinson and the Chargers are not going well.

"Stay or go? Decision now in LT's hands" by Chargers Blog

Also an interesting articles on the Giants' defensive signings. Needless to say, I mentioned Rocky Bernard as a possible free agent acquisition, but after knowing this I'm glad we didn't get him or Boley.

Black 'n' Big Blue? Questionable additions shed new light on Giants - CBSSports.com News, Fantasy, Video

[SmootSmack]

Yeah, they've been talking all week up here about the "character" of the guys the Giants just picked up

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Yeah, they've been talking all week up here about the "character" of the guys the Giants just picked up

I can imagine that. I was just thinking that we had some people go into a praise-the-Giants-FO orgy for a couple of days, yet I was thinking that if the Redskins had signed the likes of Bernard or Boley, there would have been tons of criticism for the character issue (I mean if they complained about Hall, I would hope they would make a fuss about two women-beaters).

[The Goat]

This is still the FA thread right...

... with Willis signing again in Seattle I'm wondering/maybe hoping we don't make another FA move till after the draft. I see it this way: we're desperate for one starter at LB and probably another quality guy for depth, desperate for a LDE starter, and we probably need a much better option at RT. I guess you could throw center in there too but I have the feeling Buges is far from giving up on Rabach so if we take a center it will only be a depth pick later in the draft. So we need 2 or 3 legit starters between now and opening day and in the best case scenario we trade back and somehow get a couple starters w/ our first 2 picks. Probably we only get one starter from the draft regardless of a trade and in that case we still need 1 or 2 starters acquired in FA. I tend to think the best bet will come after the draft then as teams cut players. We're basically looking for leftovers... but leftovers are probably much better than our current options at SLB, DE and even RT.

... FA IMHO hasn't been real impressive. Dock fell into our laps and that's nice but we desperately need upgrades at RT and LB (and now LDE) and not one of those spots were addressed. Actually what's amazing is this is the 2nd offseason in a row we had these exact same needs and somehow the FO hasn't been able to get it done... actually kind of baffling for a simple fan.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by The Goat

This is still the FA thread right...

... with Willis signing again in Seattle I'm wondering/maybe hoping we don't make another FA move till after the draft. I see it this way: we're desperate for one starter at LB and probably another quality guy for depth, desperate for a LDE starter, and we probably need a much better option at RT. I guess you could throw center in there too but I have the feeling Buges is far from giving up on Rabach so if we take a center it will only be a depth pick later in the draft. So we need 2 or 3 legit starters between now and opening day and in the best case scenario we trade back and somehow get a couple starters w/ our first 2 picks. Probably we only get one starter from the draft regardless of a trade and in that case we still need 1 or 2 starters acquired in FA. I tend to think the best bet will come after the draft then as teams cut players. We're basically looking for leftovers... but leftovers are probably much better than our current options at SLB, DE and even RT.

... FA IMHO hasn't been real impressive. Dock fell into our laps and that's nice but we desperately need upgrades at RT and LB (and now LDE) and not one of those spots were addressed. Actually what's amazing is this is the 2nd offseason in a row we had these exact same needs and somehow the FO hasn't been able to get it done... actually kind of baffling for a simple fan.

Last offseason the biggest needs (according to many) were among wideouts and the defensive line. Honestly, the FO has been average to me, although kinda hard to judge them since the offseason is not over.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Last offseason the biggest needs (according to many) were among wideouts and the defensive line. Honestly, the FO has been average to me, although kinda hard to judge them since the offseason is not over.

The o-line completely fell apart on '07. Jansen and Thomas had their season ending injures. Rabach wasn't very good. Basically we didn't do anything to improve that group going into '08 other than hope and pray Jansen and Thomas had awesome rebound years and Heyer would improve a lot. Heyer didn't improve and worse yet looks to be injury prone for such a young player, obviously Thomas and Jansen didn't rebound. I'm not disagreeing w/ you Ruh on the WR and d-line situations, just making the point we've had desperate needs in several areas that we haven't really addressed. Dock really was a gift even though I totally agree w/ people who also realize he's not gonna solve the whole problem there: we need new talent on the o-line.

... for what it's worth I though the d-line has been in far better shape than it's offensive counterpart over the last couple years and w/ the decline/departure of Marcus I'd thought LB was also a priority over d-line. I just remember Williams saying Monty had the potential to be a dominant player instead of just a decent rotational DT... every year i keep hoping he breaks out and that's part of the reason i thought d-line could be a lower priority than our decrepit o-lineman and an aging LB corp. (BTW wouldn't it be off the hook if Monty has a breakout season now... would allow us to put AH all over the place on the LOS cuz he's so versatile). But i haven't at all given up on the off-season, just hoping we get lucky w/ 2 or 3 gems (surprise cuts maybe) prior to camp starting.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by The Goat

The o-line completely fell apart on '07. Jansen and Thomas had their season ending injures. Rabach wasn't very good. Basically we didn't do anything to improve that group going into '08 other than hope and pray Jansen and Thomas had awesome rebound years and Heyer would improve a lot. Heyer didn't improve and worse yet looks to be injury prone for such a young player, obviously Thomas and Jansen didn't rebound. I'm not disagreeing w/ you Ruh on the WR and d-line situations, just making the point we've had desperate needs in several areas that we haven't really addressed.

... for what it's worth I though the d-line has been in far better shape than it's offensive counterpart over the last couple years and w/ the decline/departure of Marcus I'd thought LB was also a priority of d-line. But i haven't at all given up on the off-season, just hoping we get lucky w/ 2 or 3 gems (surprise cuts maybe) prior to camp starting.

Ah gotcha. I think the problem is that...well I don't know if the FO listened too much to the sports pundits, like we the fans sometimes do. And I tell you that because I was big into the Redskins getting a WR or getting Chad Johnson, thinking that this was the piece that the Redskins needed (a deep threat and/or a possession receiver). Well, all of us that thought this were dead wrong, since it turned out that our offensive line was falling apart.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Ah gotcha. I think the problem is that...well I don't know if the FO listened too much to the sports pundits, like we the fans sometimes do. And I tell you that because I was big into the Redskins getting a WR or getting Chad Johnson, thinking that this was the piece that the Redskins needed (a deep threat and/or a possession receiver). Well, all of us that thought this were dead wrong, since it turned out that our offensive line was falling apart.

No not wrong at all IMO. We did need that kind of standout possession receiver and 20/20 kinda seems like we'd been better off getting that talent in FA (last offseason) and using the '08 draft to build the lines. Don't know if Ocho was the answer but just a guy, like what we got in Moss, who could come in and be an immediate factor, which rookie WRs rarely are. I remember thinking after the '07 playoff loss we needed help at WR... but I basically assumed there was no question about the o-line needing new blood.

[53Fan]

When you have as many needs as we have it's hard to address them all with really good players in one year. Plus I think we were thrown a curve with the whole JT thing. I think we've made some improvements but I don't think we're done yet.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

When you have as many needs as we have it's hard to address them all with really good players in one year. Plus I think we were thrown a curve with the whole JT thing. I think we've made some improvements but I don't think we're done yet.

I think in the end we won't be able to address everything we need. I know it sounds bad, but that's just the reality. I mean look at Tampa Bay, they have a ton of cap money and they haven't acquired anyone. I don't know what are their needs, but with all that cap space, you'd imagine they acquire some big name free agent after releasing a whole bunch of their veterans. To be honest, I don't even know who is their current QB.