The Offense Was Too Conservative

Beemnseven · 01-15-2006, 01:16 AM

Pass protection has been a problem too. Everybody, including Jansen, was getting beaten over the last two games. Someone broke through the line and was in Brunell's face on nearly every passing play. Add this to the fact that there are really only two legitimate receiving threats, and you've got the portrait of an offense that's running on fumes.

Samuels being nicked up and Thomas out of the lineup clearly had a huge impact on the offense as a whole.

I don't necessarily fault the playcalling as much as I think the gameplan could have been tweaked just a little to adapt to what was happening around them. For instance, Clinton Portis, though banged up himself, should have been included more in the passing aspects of the game. He and Betts might have been able to give us a new dimension that was lacking once the #2 and #3 receivers disappeared.

As far as Brunell goes, give him an offensive line and two more receiving threats and he'll be fine. He's smart, knows the system, and can avoid trouble with his feet. Maybe not like he used to, but clearly better than Patrick Ramsey has demonstrated. I think he'll be back in the starting spot for the '06 season.

bedlamVR · 01-15-2006, 07:26 AM

I dont want to stifle debate but this thread is not just ill timed it is ill concieved and borring.

People like Ramseyfan & Offiss are all to keen to come out of the woodwork and bitch and whine when we loose making them look like geniuses because they would have done things so much differently and we would never loose a freaking game . Its just attention seeking.

Can we not just enjoy the fact we got to the divisional round of the playoffs when so many were predicting doom and gloom last offseason (Dr Zs 4-12 prediction comes instantly to mind). There will be plenty of time to air your whiney ass oppinions between now and next season . Don't get me wrong I don't want to stifle debate and I don't think everything Gibbs and co do are flawless we can clearly do better there are still two games to play and we came up short but just for a moment can we not just stop and as many posters have done congratule the team for thier accomplishments this year .

Thats my thoughts I know they are going to offend but I dont meen offence I am just sick of this kind of posting and I am sure I am not alone

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 01-15-2006, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by bedlamVR

I dont want to stifle debate but this thread is not just ill timed it is ill concieved and borring.

People like Ramseyfan & Offiss are all to keen to come out of the woodwork and bitch and whine when we loose making them look like geniuses because they would have done things so much differently and we would never loose a freaking game . Its just attention seeking.

Can we not just enjoy the fact we got to the divisional round of the playoffs when so many were predicting doom and gloom last offseason (Dr Zs 4-12 prediction comes instantly to mind). There will be plenty of time to air your whiney ass oppinions between now and next season . Don't get me wrong I don't want to stifle debate and I don't think everything Gibbs and co do are flawless we can clearly do better there are still two games to play and we came up short but just for a moment can we not just stop and as many posters have done congratule the team for thier accomplishments this year .

Thats my thoughts I know they are going to offend but I dont meen offence I am just sick of this kind of posting and I am sure I am not alone

Apparently, people forget that I was one of the sole people saying when we were 5-5 and 5-6 that we were a good team (when 99% of the people here said we were average or mediocre). Apparently, people forget that I have also praised Gibbs and Co. to nth degree. Apparently, people forget that I have said what a fantastic season this was. Apparently, some people know how to write, but not how to read. No offense.

davy · 01-15-2006, 07:48 AM

I really don't understand all this talk of Brunell not being able to go a whole season. Unless I'm mistaken he played 18 games this year and the only problem he had was when he took a shot to the knee in the Giants game, that can happen to any QB. I wish people would get off his back, we're lucky to have him.

Dirtbag · 01-15-2006, 12:25 PM

Our offense faltered after we lost Randy Thomas and Portis and Brunnell got injured. 'Nuff said.

JWsleep · 01-15-2006, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirtbag

Our offense faltered after we lost Randy Thomas and Portis and Brunnell got injured. 'Nuff said.

That seems correct to me--also, Samuels had a knee, Jansen had a thumb, etc. Plus, we were on the road for the last 3 games--that is VERY tough to do in the NFL.

Thomas goes down, the run game falters, that affects everything Gibbs wants to do on offense, and you saw the results. What's encouraging to me--and ignored by pundits like Sally I-love-NY Jenkins--is that we still won in philly and TB, and almost won in Seattle.

Lads, the glass is half full.

redrock-skins · 01-15-2006, 02:12 PM

We were pinned deep in our end most of the first quarter. I was sitting in that end and it was very loud. It's no joke how loud it is there. I'll admit it, it was the loudest stadium or crowd I have been in.

56FAN · 01-15-2006, 02:48 PM

the offense went down right after randy thomas did. the line is the heart of the offense and they haven't been right sinse he went down.

SC Skins Fan · 01-15-2006, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by 56FAN

the offense went down right after randy thomas did. the line is the heart of the offense and they haven't been right sinse he went down.

Well they looked ok against the Giants. I think Brunell's knee came into play and when Brown had to come out and Raymer went in he looked horrible (in fairness he is a center). I do agree that the Thomas injury was important, but I don't think he was the main issue. I think field position played a huge part in yesterdays game. When Antonio Brown let punt after punt bounce at the 20 yard line and roll inside the 10 that really hurt.

skinsguy · 01-15-2006, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

Well they looked ok against the Giants. I think Brunell's knee came into play and when Brown had to come out and Raymer went in he looked horrible (in fairness he is a center). I do agree that the Thomas injury was important, but I don't think he was the main issue. I think field position played a huge part in yesterdays game. When Antonio Brown let punt after punt bounce at the 20 yard line and roll inside the 10 that really hurt.

Yep. Gotta put in the fact that Clinton Portis was playing injured the past couple of weeks; there was no James Thrash (which is a good third down receiver); and Brunell never really looked the same after that knee injury against the Giants. I thought Ray Brown did a good job in place of Randy Thomas, but certainly Randy's absence played a factor with our protection.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 01-15-2006, 03:26 PM

Since people have pegged me as the "pessimist," I suggest you read some of my posts from earlier in the season when we weren't winning.

I note how people were overreacting to Loss
http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread.php?t=9275

I defended Gibbs playcalling after the loss to the Chargers
http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread...5&page=3&pp=10

I told people not to give up on the team
http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread.php?t=9273

I defended Gibbs W-L record
http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread.php?t=9329

I defended the team, raising the strength of schedule
http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread.php?t=9425

Before I get labelled as purely, an attention-seeking MF'er, please do your homework.

BigSKINBauer · 01-15-2006, 03:47 PM

We need another WR. Our passing offfense is really bad. Not these two games. but the last 12. THe passing offense is bad. We only get 91% of the yards the opposing defenses give up through the air on average. So if a team on average gave up 200 yards in the air we on average this year would get 182. We are a below average passing team. I want a dominant WR that can play at number 1 but is a number 2. I want a reggie wayne. I do not want reggie wayne but A reggie wayne. Someone that we can get or trade for that is proven or do some magic in the draft. I want a great number 2.

skinsttw · 01-15-2006, 09:45 PM

Just a couple of observations about the offense:
1) Brunell looked a little stiff and a little out of sync
2) O line protection was less the ideal, esp with Raymer in
3) Seahawks defense was quick to the ball after the catch-- they shut down the WR
screen pretty well-- Moss could not get a lot of yards after the catch like he did during the season.
4) CP looked banged up and kind of slow
5) We did miss RT on sweeps and pulling plays
6) With Patten back next year, we need only find a good #2 WR to fill in the offense and keep the dbs honest
7) Field position killed us for the first half
8) Not converting those 3 turnovers into at least 10 points really hurt us, esp in 4th quarter. Great teams convert the turnovers, and I think we lost momentum after that drive failed and Hall missed the kick.
9) JH does not seem the same-- maybe he is still hurt?

01-15-2006, 01:16 AM	#1
Beemnseven Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Virginia Beach Age: 52 Posts: 5,311	Re: The Offense Was Too Conservative Pass protection has been a problem too. Everybody, including Jansen, was getting beaten over the last two games. Someone broke through the line and was in Brunell's face on nearly every passing play. Add this to the fact that there are really only two legitimate receiving threats, and you've got the portrait of an offense that's running on fumes. Samuels being nicked up and Thomas out of the lineup clearly had a huge impact on the offense as a whole. I don't necessarily fault the playcalling as much as I think the gameplan could have been tweaked just a little to adapt to what was happening around them. For instance, Clinton Portis, though banged up himself, should have been included more in the passing aspects of the game. He and Betts might have been able to give us a new dimension that was lacking once the #2 and #3 receivers disappeared. As far as Brunell goes, give him an offensive line and two more receiving threats and he'll be fine. He's smart, knows the system, and can avoid trouble with his feet. Maybe not like he used to, but clearly better than Patrick Ramsey has demonstrated. I think he'll be back in the starting spot for the '06 season.

01-15-2006, 07:48 AM	#4
davy Impact Rookie Join Date: May 2004 Location: England Posts: 972	Re: The Offense Was Too Conservative I really don't understand all this talk of Brunell not being able to go a whole season. Unless I'm mistaken he played 18 games this year and the only problem he had was when he took a shot to the knee in the Giants game, that can happen to any QB. I wish people would get off his back, we're lucky to have him.

01-15-2006, 12:25 PM	#5
Dirtbag Special Teams Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 142	Re: The Offense Was Too Conservative Our offense faltered after we lost Randy Thomas and Portis and Brunnell got injured. 'Nuff said.

01-15-2006, 02:12 PM	#7
redrock-skins Impact Rookie Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 783	Re: The Offense Was Too Conservative We were pinned deep in our end most of the first quarter. I was sitting in that end and it was very loud. It's no joke how loud it is there. I'll admit it, it was the loudest stadium or crowd I have been in.

01-15-2006, 02:48 PM	#8
56FAN Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: MANASSAS VA Age: 63 Posts: 323	Re: The Offense Was Too Conservative the offense went down right after randy thomas did. the line is the heart of the offense and they haven't been right sinse he went down.

01-15-2006, 07:26 AM	#2
bedlamVR Special Teams Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 389	Re: The Offense Was Too Conservative I dont want to stifle debate but this thread is not just ill timed it is ill concieved and borring. People like Ramseyfan & Offiss are all to keen to come out of the woodwork and bitch and whine when we loose making them look like geniuses because they would have done things so much differently and we would never loose a freaking game . Its just attention seeking. Can we not just enjoy the fact we got to the divisional round of the playoffs when so many were predicting doom and gloom last offseason (Dr Zs 4-12 prediction comes instantly to mind). There will be plenty of time to air your whiney ass oppinions between now and next season . Don't get me wrong I don't want to stifle debate and I don't think everything Gibbs and co do are flawless we can clearly do better there are still two games to play and we came up short but just for a moment can we not just stop and as many posters have done congratule the team for thier accomplishments this year . Thats my thoughts I know they are going to offend but I dont meen offence I am just sick of this kind of posting and I am sure I am not alone

01-15-2006, 03:26 PM	#11
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 47 Posts: 8,317	Re: The Offense Was Too Conservative Since people have pegged me as the "pessimist," I suggest you read some of my posts from earlier in the season when we weren't winning. I note how people were overreacting to Loss http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread.php?t=9275 I defended Gibbs playcalling after the loss to the Chargers http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread...5&page=3&pp=10 I told people not to give up on the team http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread.php?t=9273 I defended Gibbs W-L record http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread.php?t=9329 I defended the team, raising the strength of schedule http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread.php?t=9425 Before I get labelled as purely, an attention-seeking MF'er, please do your homework.

01-15-2006, 03:47 PM	#12
BigSKINBauer Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Washington, DC Age: 38 Posts: 5,688	Re: The Offense Was Too Conservative We need another WR. Our passing offfense is really bad. Not these two games. but the last 12. THe passing offense is bad. We only get 91% of the yards the opposing defenses give up through the air on average. So if a team on average gave up 200 yards in the air we on average this year would get 182. We are a below average passing team. I want a dominant WR that can play at number 1 but is a number 2. I want a reggie wayne. I do not want reggie wayne but A reggie wayne. Someone that we can get or trade for that is proven or do some magic in the draft. I want a great number 2.

01-15-2006, 09:45 PM	#13
skinsttw Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 174	Re: The Offense Was Too Conservative Just a couple of observations about the offense: 1) Brunell looked a little stiff and a little out of sync 2) O line protection was less the ideal, esp with Raymer in 3) Seahawks defense was quick to the ball after the catch-- they shut down the WR screen pretty well-- Moss could not get a lot of yards after the catch like he did during the season. 4) CP looked banged up and kind of slow 5) We did miss RT on sweeps and pulling plays 6) With Patten back next year, we need only find a good #2 WR to fill in the offense and keep the dbs honest 7) Field position killed us for the first half 8) Not converting those 3 turnovers into at least 10 points really hurt us, esp in 4th quarter. Great teams convert the turnovers, and I think we lost momentum after that drive failed and Hall missed the kick. 9) JH does not seem the same-- maybe he is still hurt? __________________ Go skins!

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