Does Ramsey Have Some Trade Control?

[Hail2em]

ets | Team still trying to trade for Ramsey
Sun, 26 Feb 2006 06:56:59 -0800

The New York Daily News reports the New York Jets are still working on a trade with the Washington Redskins for QB Patrick Ramsey.

[bigm29]

All i know is tim hasselback is a free agent and hes coming back to be our 3rd stringer baby!

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by bigm29

All i know is tim hasselback is a free agent and hes coming back to be our 3rd stringer baby!

he's a good #3...

[freddyg12]

I've often wondered how effective all the tests, iq & otherwise, are. e.g., a qb has to not only see the field w/great peripheral vision, but also have the timeliness thru quick reflexes to do so before his ass is horizontal.
I think Ramsey is bright enough for the job, but is slow in all the decision making skills necessary, which ultimatley have little to do w/i.q. & general cognitive aptitude.

[Huddle]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

I think Ramsey is bright enough for the job, but is slow in all the decision making skills necessary, which ultimatley have little to do w/i.q. & general cognitive aptitude.

I've read this before from a couple of other posters and wondered about it. Is it possible for you to explain how a spectator can tell that Ramsey is slow in his decision-making skills?

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Huddle

I've read this before from a couple of other posters and wondered about it. Is it possible for you to explain how a spectator can tell that Ramsey is slow in his decision-making skills?

I'd kinda have to agree... there's a difference before slow and bad decisions.

he held on to the ball forever (earlier on at least) cause he was always waiting on guys to get downfield...


and you can go from a 14 to a 28 easily. That why SAT classes are offered (they work). You literally take about an hour on strategy and then just answer thousands of questions... take a test, review it, take another one...

Its sorta like preparing for jeopardy or it's academic... for those you just memorize list after list of category info (answers) if you want to do well.

[irish]

I just heard on the TK show that PR will be out of here by Friday. I guess we'll see.

[Monksdown]

I don't know that he is slow in his reads or not. But John "the duck" Clayton says he is. And if Salisbury agrees with him, then there must be some merit to it.

Again, watch his feet. He is scared of making the decision. Don't the coaches tell him how many steps to take. Ive never heard of the 1000 step shuffle within 2 seconds. But Patrick has mastered it.

You know what top tier QB had mastered the 1000 step shuffle this past post season don't you? Let me give you a hint, Peyton Manning.

I guess when your little feet are going up and down constantly, because you are not relaxed, it can be difficult to plant and throw accurately.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Monksdown

I don't know that he is slow in his reads or not. But John "the duck" Clayton says he is. And if Salisbury agrees with him, then there must be some merit to it.

Again, watch his feet. He is scared of making the decision. Don't the coaches tell him how many steps to take. Ive never heard of the 1000 step shuffle within 2 seconds. But Patrick has mastered it.

You know what top tier QB had mastered the 1000 step shuffle this past post season don't you? Let me give you a hint, Peyton Manning.

I guess when your little feet are going up and down constantly, because you are not relaxed, it can be difficult to plant and throw accurately.

That's always been the knock on him, he's not decisive enough in the pocket. I know some will want to argue he doesn't have enough experience and while that may hold some water to a degree, for a guy who's been in the league for 4 years you would expect him to have improved in that area more than he has.

[Huddle]

Originally Posted by Monksdown

I don't know that he is slow in his reads or not. But John "the duck" Clayton says he is. And if Salisbury agrees with him, then there must be some merit to it.

Again, watch his feet. He is scared of making the decision. Don't the coaches tell him how many steps to take. Ive never heard of the 1000 step shuffle within 2 seconds. But Patrick has mastered it.

You know what top tier QB had mastered the 1000 step shuffle this past post season don't you? Let me give you a hint, Peyton Manning.

I guess when your little feet are going up and down constantly, because you are not relaxed, it can be difficult to plant and throw accurately.

Well, if Salisbury and Clayton agree, I guess we can take that to the bank [forgive the sarcasm].

To answer your question...no...coaches don't tell a QB to take a seven-step drop and then plant. The QB might have four reads and he can't plant until he picks one. And, under pressure they bounce because it enables them to move quickly just as boxers stay on their toes before they plant to throw a punch.

One way for a QB to appear decisive is to cheat on his reads. Sliding quickly from your primary to your checkdown will do it. Tim Hassleback won a job with us by getting rid of the ball quickly, like a West Coast QB (I wonder who taught him that). There's no way in hell he was running through all his reads.

When Ramsey started, the ball was being distributed to different receivers. That's an indication that he was running through all his reads. Given our protection problems, it was probably a mistake on his part due to lack of experience.

[MTK]

Anybody wanna buy a Patrick Ramsey jersey??

I'll sell it to you real cheap.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Anybody wanna buy a Patrick Ramsey jersey??

I'll sell it to you real cheap.

I have a Coles jersey...maybe we could do a package deal?

[hail_2_da_skins]

This is a bad time to be a free agent quarterback. The market is flooded with talent. Ramsey has got to be way down on the list. Here is a list of the most likely free agents and my best guess at a pecking order.
1. Daunte Culpepper
2. Drew Brees
3. Steve McNair
4. Aaron Brooks
5. Brian Griese
6. Jon Kitna
7. Chad Pennington

[Monksdown]

Remove Daunte from your list. Heard this morning he just had a big pay day. Likely to stay.

[MTK]

Report: Vikings to pay Culpepper's roster bonus