If the extension to the CBA can't get done, then what?

Sean Taylor is God · 02-27-2006, 04:33 PM

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Sean Taylor is God · 02-27-2006, 04:35 PM

POSTED 1:39 p.m. EST; LAST UPDATED 3:26 p.m. EST, February 27, 2006

CBA IS "DONE," BUT . . . .

A league source tells us that a deal between the NFL and the NFL Players Association on an extension to the Collective Bargaining Agreement is "done," and that the only thing keeping the thing from being signed and sealed is the absence of a firm arrangement among owners regarding an expansion of revenue sharing.

The only remaining problem is that the new CBA replaces "Defined Gross Revenues" (i.e., the stuff that has been shared by the 32 teams for years) with "Total Football Revenues" (i.e., every penny earned). And if every penny earned, including stuff that isn't currently shared, goes into the formula for determining the salary cap, the problem is that the low-earning teams will see their individual cap numbers influenced by the much bigger money being raked in by other teams.

Stay tuned. It's looking more and more like it's only a matter of time before the owners work this thing out. As they should.

RedskinPete · 02-27-2006, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean Taylor is God

POSTED 1:39 p.m. EST; LAST UPDATED 3:26 p.m. EST, February 27, 2006

CBA IS "DONE," BUT . . . .

A league source tells us that a deal between the NFL and the NFL Players Association on an extension to the Collective Bargaining Agreement is "done," and that the only thing keeping the thing from being signed and sealed is the absence of a firm arrangement among owners regarding an expansion of revenue sharing.

The only remaining problem is that the new CBA replaces "Defined Gross Revenues" (i.e., the stuff that has been shared by the 32 teams for years) with "Total Football Revenues" (i.e., every penny earned). And if every penny earned, including stuff that isn't currently shared, goes into the formula for determining the salary cap, the problem is that the low-earning teams will see their individual cap numbers influenced by the much bigger money being raked in by other teams.

Stay tuned. It's looking more and more like it's only a matter of time before the owners work this thing out. As they should.

I have to tell you I don't like that other teams that don't work as hard as our owner and team to build more revenue thinks they are owed something more just because! Work harder and build your teams up!!! Don't come a calling with your hands open asking for something that is not yours! I hope the nine team holding out keep to thier guns!!!

Sean Taylor is God · 02-27-2006, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by RedskinPete

I have to tell you I don't like that other teams that don't work as hard as our owner and team to build more revenue thinks they are owed something more just because! Work harder and build your teams up!!! Don't come a calling with your hands open asking for something that is not yours! I hope the nine team holding out keep to thier guns!!!

i agree we deserve the money but right now we need this done or our 2006 campaign will be painful.

dmek25 · 02-27-2006, 04:34 PM

suppose to be done sometime around 4:00 thursday and the cap will be 95 million

That Guy · 02-27-2006, 05:00 PM

I'll like it better when its official and announced by a non PFT source.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 02-27-2006, 07:33 PM

ESPN is reporting that an extension may be reached soon. The story says that Upshaw may allow free agency to be delayed one week if the salary cap extension provided teams with higher salary cap figures for 2006. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2347125

This could be good news. First, we'll have an extension which will allow us to renegotiate deals and covert salaries into signing bonuses. Second, if it pushes the cap figure up, we of course will benefit.

D'BOYZ · 02-27-2006, 07:59 PM

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By Adam Schefter
Special to NFL.com
SKINNED

Without an extension of the collective bargaining agreement, this could be one of the bloodiest weeks the NFL has witnessed, with more teams cutting more players at this time of the year than the league ever has seen.

Walt Harris finished fourth on Washington with 57 total tackles. And no team is in worse shape than the Washington Redskins, who some league insiders believe will have to cut anywhere from 15 to 20 players.

Those numbers will depend on how many players will be willing to restructure their contracts, but one NFL general manager who reviewed Washington's salary-cap situation wondered how the Redskins will even be able to field a team.

For starters, the Redskins are expected to release defensive backs Matt Bowen and Walt Harris, defensive linemen Renaldo Wynn and Brandon Noble, wide receivers James Thrash and Taylor Jacobs, center Cory Raymer, and kicker John Hall. Even with all those moves, the Redskins still will be significantly over the salary cap, requiring them to release even more players from their roster.

No team is rooting for a CBA extension any harder than Washington. Otherwise, the Redskins team next weekend will be considerably different from the one they have this weekend.

ARMS TRADE

Not all the Redskins moves will be cuts. At least one will be a trade.

The Redskins also are expected to trade quarterback Patrick Ramsey this week. At least three teams have expressed a serious interest, and one should be able to put together an enticing enough package to lure away a player the Redskins once drafted in the first round.

The Redskins are not expected to get a whole lot in return for Ramsey, due to the fact that there are so many quarterbacks expected to be on the free-agent market. But they will get something for a team that soon could have many holes.

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This is something I picked up about what might happend if the CBA does get signed.

Also fo the ones that say you should have more money because your owner works harder and get more revenue from his stadium and team. I'm sorry to let you down but your team gets the same then others every team has the same cap amount asign the only thing that would change is that your owner and our owner would lose more money.

because they would have to pay more to the NFL and NFLPA because they make more money trough sales, endorsment, tickets,etc... and they don't whant 2 and I agree if I'm making more money because I have exploided my brand (Cowboys - Redskins) why I should make the same revenue as Arizona that has done nothing to earn it.

steveo395 · 02-27-2006, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by D'BOYZ

This is something I picked up about what might happend if the CBA does get signed.

Also fo the ones that say you should have more money because your owner works harder and get more revenue from his stadium and team. I'm sorry to let you down but your team gets the same then others every team has the same cap amount asign the only thing that would change is that your owner and our owner would lose more money.

because they would have to pay more to the NFL and NFLPA because they make more money trough sales, endorsment, tickets,etc... and they don't whant 2 and I agree if I'm making more money because I have exploided my brand (Cowboys - Redskins) why I should make the same revenue as Arizona that has done nothing to earn it.

that makes absolutely no sense at all....seriously what is that?

Sean Taylor is God · 02-27-2006, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by D'BOYZ

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This is something I picked up about what might happend if the CBA does get signed.

Also fo the ones that say you should have more money because your owner works harder and get more revenue from his stadium and team. I'm sorry to let you down but your team gets the same then others every team has the same cap amount asign the only thing that would change is that your owner and our owner would lose more money.

because they would have to pay more to the NFL and NFLPA because they make more money trough sales, endorsment, tickets,etc... and they don't whant 2 and I agree if I'm making more money because I have exploided my brand (Cowboys - Redskins) why I should make the same revenue as Arizona that has done nothing to earn it.[/QUOTE]

You should represent Vince Young.

Skins_4_Lyfe · 02-28-2006, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by D'BOYZ

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This is something I picked up about what might happend if the CBA does get signed.

Also fo the ones that say you should have more money because your owner works harder and get more revenue from his stadium and team. I'm sorry to let you down but your team gets the same then others every team has the same cap amount asign the only thing that would change is that your owner and our owner would lose more money.

because they would have to pay more to the NFL and NFLPA because they make more money trough sales, endorsment, tickets,etc... and they don't whant 2 and I agree if I'm making more money because I have exploided my brand (Cowboys - Redskins) why I should make the same revenue as Arizona that has done nothing to earn it.

What the HELL are you talking about...Is this how y'all do it over at the Dallas forum...?

Sean Taylor is God · 02-28-2006, 11:32 AM

The CBA is going to get done. Can we end this. Really though, what the hell were you talking about buddy?

skinsguy · 02-28-2006, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by D'BOYZ

Also fo the ones that say you should have more money because your owner works harder and get more revenue from his stadium and team. I'm sorry to let you down but your team gets the same then others every team has the same cap amount asign the only thing that would change is that your owner and our owner would lose more money.

because they would have to pay more to the NFL and NFLPA because they make more money trough sales, endorsment, tickets,etc... and they don't whant 2 and I agree if I'm making more money because I have exploided my brand (Cowboys - Redskins) why I should make the same revenue as Arizona that has done nothing to earn it.

It would basically be the same situation that it is now. If the Cowboys and Redskins make the most money in the NFL, then yes, we would lose more money to revenue sharing than other teams who don't make as much. That is obviously happening right now, which is why Jones and Snyder have opposed signing an extention on the CBA.

RedskinPete · 02-28-2006, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsguy

It would basically be the same situation that it is now. If the Cowboys and Redskins make the most money in the NFL, then yes, we would lose more money to revenue sharing than other teams who don't make as much. That is obviously happening right now, which is why Jones and Snyder have opposed signing an extention on the CBA.

If I was Jones and Snyder I wouldn't oppose it as well. I work hard make money for my team to pay back bills or what about make a few bucks. Then teams that don't work hard come calling and say we wanted a pice of your pie! The hell with that!!! The Goverment get thier share so why would I wanted to give more away to teams that don't work hard to raise cash flow? :headbange

D'BOYZ · 03-02-2006, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by skinsguy

It would basically be the same situation that it is now. If the Cowboys and Redskins make the most money in the NFL, then yes, we would lose more money to revenue sharing than other teams who don't make as much. That is obviously happening right now, which is why Jones and Snyder have opposed signing an extention on the CBA.

Yeah the basic problem with the owners is Total Revenue Sharing right now teams don't share things like Stadium name gross, Radio deals, stadiums or team sponsor,etc.. So low revenue teams complain that high revenue teams, like Cowboys, Redskins, Texans, Cleveland have more money during FA to give players large Signing Bonus and it hurths their chances to compete.

The High Revenue teams are argueing that they need that revenue because the have mostly larger depts Houston,Washington, Cleveland have build new stadiums and obviusly they didn't pay them up front they took lones wich they have to pay. Dallas will be in the same both this year once the Stadium starts to get build.

Their points is that they had to take more sponsor and exploid their brand to get the revenue necesary to pay for those stadiums. I have to agree with the High revenue teams the idea of a cap is to be competitive NOT EQUAL and if they want to have more revenue well people start finding ways to exploid your brand.

Win some titles for a change change your uniforms like NE did 10 years ago they started to get more revenue and once they won titles are now one of the high revenue teams.

The other problem is with the Union the Owners have offerd 56.2% of the revenue for the players the Union wants at least 60% I can see this going to 58% to get settle because the union needs the CBA more than the owners.

And for the rest of you the CAP has been anounced at 94.5 mill and the deadline to get in to the cap has been moved from 4pm to 10pm so they can have more time to settle the CBA and don't drop more players.

So start to make your predictions of who would restructure his contract besides brunell and how many players would get cut if the CBA doesn't get sign tonigh.

View Poll Results: If an extension to the CBA isn't reached, what will happen?
The team will suffer in 2006 and beyond	5	5.62%
The team will suffer in 2006, then who knows	19	21.35%
The team will suffer in 2006, but benefit in 2007	24	26.97%
The team will be fine in 2006 and beyond	18	20.22%
I have no clue	23	25.84%
Voters: 89. You may not vote on this poll

02-27-2006, 04:33 PM	#1
Sean Taylor is God Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 68	Re: If the extension to the CBA can't get done, then what? profootballtalk, if you consider them reliable.

02-27-2006, 04:35 PM	#2
Sean Taylor is God Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 68	Re: If the extension to the CBA can't get done, then what? POSTED 1:39 p.m. EST; LAST UPDATED 3:26 p.m. EST, February 27, 2006 CBA IS "DONE," BUT . . . . A league source tells us that a deal between the NFL and the NFL Players Association on an extension to the Collective Bargaining Agreement is "done," and that the only thing keeping the thing from being signed and sealed is the absence of a firm arrangement among owners regarding an expansion of revenue sharing. The only remaining problem is that the new CBA replaces "Defined Gross Revenues" (i.e., the stuff that has been shared by the 32 teams for years) with "Total Football Revenues" (i.e., every penny earned). And if every penny earned, including stuff that isn't currently shared, goes into the formula for determining the salary cap, the problem is that the low-earning teams will see their individual cap numbers influenced by the much bigger money being raked in by other teams. Stay tuned. It's looking more and more like it's only a matter of time before the owners work this thing out. As they should.

02-27-2006, 04:34 PM	#5
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 64 Posts: 10,672	Re: If the extension to the CBA can't get done, then what? suppose to be done sometime around 4:00 thursday and the cap will be 95 million __________________ "It's better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt." courtesy of 53fan

02-27-2006, 05:00 PM	#6
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 43 Posts: 17,620	Re: If the extension to the CBA can't get done, then what? I'll like it better when its official and announced by a non PFT source.

02-27-2006, 07:33 PM	#7
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 47 Posts: 8,317	Re: If the extension to the CBA can't get done, then what? ESPN is reporting that an extension may be reached soon. The story says that Upshaw may allow free agency to be delayed one week if the salary cap extension provided teams with higher salary cap figures for 2006. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2347125 This could be good news. First, we'll have an extension which will allow us to renegotiate deals and covert salaries into signing bonuses. Second, if it pushes the cap figure up, we of course will benefit.

02-27-2006, 07:59 PM	#8
D'BOYZ The Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,363	Re: If the extension to the CBA can't get done, then what? [QUOTE] By Adam Schefter Special to NFL.com SKINNED Without an extension of the collective bargaining agreement, this could be one of the bloodiest weeks the NFL has witnessed, with more teams cutting more players at this time of the year than the league ever has seen. Walt Harris finished fourth on Washington with 57 total tackles. And no team is in worse shape than the Washington Redskins, who some league insiders believe will have to cut anywhere from 15 to 20 players. Those numbers will depend on how many players will be willing to restructure their contracts, but one NFL general manager who reviewed Washington's salary-cap situation wondered how the Redskins will even be able to field a team. For starters, the Redskins are expected to release defensive backs Matt Bowen and Walt Harris, defensive linemen Renaldo Wynn and Brandon Noble, wide receivers James Thrash and Taylor Jacobs, center Cory Raymer, and kicker John Hall. Even with all those moves, the Redskins still will be significantly over the salary cap, requiring them to release even more players from their roster. No team is rooting for a CBA extension any harder than Washington. Otherwise, the Redskins team next weekend will be considerably different from the one they have this weekend. ARMS TRADE Not all the Redskins moves will be cuts. At least one will be a trade. The Redskins also are expected to trade quarterback Patrick Ramsey this week. At least three teams have expressed a serious interest, and one should be able to put together an enticing enough package to lure away a player the Redskins once drafted in the first round. The Redskins are not expected to get a whole lot in return for Ramsey, due to the fact that there are so many quarterbacks expected to be on the free-agent market. But they will get something for a team that soon could have many holes. [/QUOTE] This is something I picked up about what might happend if the CBA does get signed. Also fo the ones that say you should have more money because your owner works harder and get more revenue from his stadium and team. I'm sorry to let you down but your team gets the same then others every team has the same cap amount asign the only thing that would change is that your owner and our owner would lose more money. because they would have to pay more to the NFL and NFLPA because they make more money trough sales, endorsment, tickets,etc... and they don't whant 2 and I agree if I'm making more money because I have exploided my brand (Cowboys - Redskins) why I should make the same revenue as Arizona that has done nothing to earn it.

02-28-2006, 11:32 AM	#12
Sean Taylor is God Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 68	Re: If the extension to the CBA can't get done, then what? The CBA is going to get done. Can we end this. Really though, what the hell were you talking about buddy?

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