rooting for Goliath

[PSUSkinsFan21]

Originally Posted by Huddle

I am a veteran of some debate boards, politics and religion, where the moderators are very strict. The way you and others make ad hominem attacks here would never be tolerated on those boards.

Matty, I'd take this as a shot at you and the other mods. DO YOUR JOB, MAN!

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Huddle

Will it surprise you if I don't agree?

I am a veteran of some debate boards, politics and religion, where the moderators are very strict. The way you and others make ad hominem attacks here would never be tolerated on those boards.

Since there is no impartial panel on these boards to judge who has won a debate, I've devised my own way.

Strawman arguments are the first sign of frustration. When opponents have to twist my words to come up with arguments, they're all but done.

The next level of growing frustration is the logical fallacy referred to sometimes as Appeal to Popularity: "Everyone here thinks you're wrong." I get a lot of these because I'm self-confident enough to present controversial positions.

In the final stage, losers vent their frustration with the ad hominem fallacy, personal attacks in lieu of arguments. I get a lot of those.

When a poster continually alternates personal attacks with strawman arguments, I ignore their posts. They waste my time.

Your most recent post is nothing more than a belated ad hominem attack which would signal to any impartial mind reading this (if there is one) that you are bearing a grudge. I wonder why?

This post is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. You seem to view these discussions as a debate to be won or lost. I certainly don't feel that way about discussions around these parts, and I doubt others do either. I just sense that some find you obnoxious. It's alright, we're all obnoxious from time to time. Daseal and his puppy-kicking pessimism, Malcolm and his schizophrenic screen names, #56fanatic and his love affair with Lavar, and of course me for writing posts like this. But all this is to say that I wish you'd drop the whole attitude that every discussion is a pissing match. If I promise to tell you that you're right after every post, will you brush the chip off your shoulder? Because I really don't care about winning debates with you, and if that's what it takes to get you to chill, I'm willing to do it.

[PSUSkinsFan21]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I just sense that some find you obnoxious. It's alright, we're all obnoxious from time to time.

Except me, of course. I'm never obnoxious.

......wait, was that obnoxious?

[Huddle]

Schneed10

This post is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. You seem to view these discussions as a debate to be won or lost. I certainly don't feel that way about discussions around these parts, and I doubt others do either.

When people mostly agree on an issue, they discuss it. When they don't, and they make an argument for their positions, it's a debate by my definition.

Besides, you're coming across as holier-than-thou for someone who arrogantly puts down posters with regularity for the stupidity of their opinions.

I don't do that.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Huddle

Schneed10



When people mostly agree on an issue, they discuss it. When they don't, and they make an argument for their positions, it's a debate by my definition.

Besides, you're coming across as holier-than-thou for someone who arrogantly puts down posters with regularity for the stupidity of their opinions.

I don't do that.

I don't remember ever calling a single soul on this site stupid. I've never even said an opinion is stupid. I tend to say things like "that makes no sense to me", or "I strongly disagree with that."

I don't mean to come across holier than thou, because no doubt I've gotten on people's nerves around here before. I'm probably annoying several people other than you just by perpetuating this discussion. And I tend to express strong opinions, which annoys people sometimes. And I like that you have strong opinions, but I'd rather see us stick to discussing those opinions rather than get into such banalities as "logical fallacies" and "ad hominem attacks."

I don't mean to come at you or put you down. I respect your opinions. But it'd be good if you showed respect for the opinions of others as well, because I think the disrespect and condescending nature is what is making people chafe at your presence here. If we just focus on the content of our discussions rather than try to win debates like we're on Crossfire, I think we'd get along a bit better. That's all.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Huddle

Schneed10
Besides, you're coming across as holier-than-thou for someone who arrogantly puts down posters with regularity for the stupidity of their opinions.

I don't do that.

And wouldn't this qualify as an "ad hominem attack"? Seems like you're calling me a name, with the whole holier-than-thou reference. Isn't that the last stage, as you put it?

How about you go back and address my posts #71 and #73. I never heard your opinion, and since your opinions are always right, I'd like to know if I got these questions right on my test. I await your opinions.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Huddle

Besides, you're coming across as holier-than-thou for someone who arrogantly puts down posters with regularity for the stupidity of their opinions.

I don't do that.

IRONY at its best.

[Schneed10]

In the end I don't think there is any right or wrong way to build a team in the NFL. You can emphasize the draft, you can emphasize free agency, or you can mix the two. It all comes down to finding the right players and not overpaying. You can overpay in the draft by picking Ryan Leaf 2nd overall, or you can overpay in free agency by signing an over-the-hill Deion Sanders. It's safe to say that the more often you overpay for players, the more likely it is you'll suck (duh, really Schneed?).

I think the media has just fallen in love with the Patriots and Steelers because they homegrow their own players by drafting them. And I do think that the media, and fans around the country, are going to continue to hate on the Redskins whether we win or lose. But that hate, in my opinion, is based on actions Snyder has taken in the past. I don't think most people around the country have been paying attention to him, and I don't think they've realized how he's changed. He still spends, but now he spends prudently, buying younger players just entering their primes. He actually defers to his coaches now rather than trying to make decisions himself. But nobody outside of the Beltway is privy to Snyder's development because the national media continues to villify him just out of sheer habit. We'll probably be hated because of Snyder's past. But don't mistake that for us being "a Goliath" like the Yanks. Every other team can spend just like we do, they just don't. We have no unfair advantage, we just have a despised owner.

[gibbsisgod]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

In the end I don't think there is any right or wrong way to build a team in the NFL. You can emphasize the draft, you can emphasize free agency, or you can mix the two. It all comes down to finding the right players and not overpaying. You can overpay in the draft by picking Ryan Leaf 2nd overall, or you can overpay in free agency by signing an over-the-hill Deion Sanders. It's safe to say that the more often you overpay for players, the more likely it is you'll suck (duh, really Schneed?).

I think the media has just fallen in love with the Patriots and Steelers because they homegrow their own players by drafting them. And I do think that the media, and fans around the country, are going to continue to hate on the Redskins whether we win or lose. But that hate, in my opinion, is based on actions Snyder has taken in the past. I don't think most people around the country have been paying attention to him, and I don't think they've realized how he's changed. He still spends, but now he spends prudently, buying younger players just entering their primes. He actually defers to his coaches now rather than trying to make decisions himself. But nobody outside of the Beltway is privy to Snyder's development because the national media continues to villify him just out of sheer habit. We'll probably be hated because of Snyder's past. But don't mistake that for us being "a Goliath" like the Yanks. Every other team can spend just like we do, they just don't. We have no unfair advantage, we just have a despised owner.

I totally agree about snyder, if the rest of the league actually paid attention to these past few years instead of just ridiculing him because of his first couple of years they could see that he isnt just some dumb owner with alot of money. he has grown up alot since the deion, bruce smith and jeff george days but the media chooses to dwell on past failures instead of his most recent accomplishments....marcus washington, griffin,moss,and the list goes on...

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by gibbsisgod

I totally agree about snyder, if the rest of the league actually paid attention to these past few years instead of just ridiculing him because of his first couple of years they could see that he isnt just some dumb owner with alot of money. he has grown up alot since the deion, bruce smith and jeff george days but the media chooses to dwell on past failures instead of his most recent accomplishments....marcus washington, griffin,moss,and the list goes on...

At least I know who to read or listen to now. The ones that ignore or are unaware of the changes (for the better) and successes of the redskins are either unprofessional or incompetent. And I choose to be picky and ignore certain articles, especially the analytical/opinionated(sp) articles of these unprofessionals and incompetents.

[gibbsisgod]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

And I choose to be picky and ignore certain articles, especially the analytical/opinionated(sp) articles of these unprofessionals and incompetents.

very well put

[MTK]

If we kicked off annoying members this site would be pretty empty

[MTK]

My response would be our door is always open, feel free to walk back the way you came.

I don't have the time or energy to babysit everyone. Extreme cases get the boot.

[PSUSkinsFan21]

....and I would add a "PLEASE" to that....LOL

[gibbsisgod]

go skins