How Long For Brunell?

[MTK]

Favre is on a bad team, period.

Put him on a good team and he would look much better.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Favre is on a bad team, period.

Put him on a good team and he would look much better.

I agree. On a good team he is a Pro Bowler. He really hasn't lost much physically. He simply has totally nothing around him and has to do it all. Bad system, bad skill playes, no o-line = Favre looking like Jeff George.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Favre is on a bad team, period.

Put him on a good team and he would look much better.

Don't get me wrong, I love Favre and I think the football world will be worse off when he hangs it up. But to claim a quarterbacks' skills don't deteriorate with age is a little unrealistic.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

Don't get me wrong, I love Favre and I think the football world will be worse off when he hangs it up. But to claim a quarterbacks' skills don't deteriorate with age is a little unrealistic.

What skills has he lost?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

Don't get me wrong, I love Favre and I think the football world will be worse off when he hangs it up. But to claim a quarterbacks' skills don't deteriorate with age is a little unrealistic.

Of course he's not the same player he was 5 years ago, but the team around him has more to do with his recent struggles than anything he's "lost".

[Longtimefan]

I dont want to see a replica of the first three quarters in Dallas last year. Those were three of the most miserable quarters I've witnessed in all my years of watching pro football. Brunell is going to have to make plays in the passing game for this team to be successful. That includes going through his progression and his second target not always being the check down or dump off. We need more pass plays for completions in the seventeen to twenty one yard range, and not just passes to Moss all the time. We have other receivers, get them involved in the offense.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

What skills has he lost?

Absolutely nothing. The 29 picks he threw last season was entirely the fault of the receivers and offensive line.

Seriously, I think that Brett Favre is one of the best quarterbacks to ever play the game, but he has lost some of the intangibles that have made him so great. There were plenty of seasons where he was the only reason the Packers were any good, but he can't just bomb the ball 50 yards down field, off of his back foot, as accurately as he used to. And he can't zip the ball in the tight spaces he used to. It's party due to the players around him, but you're kidding yourself if you think none of it is him.

The only reason I even brought up Favre was to make the point that a players skills do deteriorate with age. Just like Brunell, who used to be a running gunslinger, five years ago...

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

Absolutely nothing. The 29 picks he threw last season was entirely the fault of the receivers and offensive line.

Seriously, I think that Brett Favre is one of the best quarterbacks to ever play the game, but he has lost some of the intangibles that have made him so great. There were plenty of seasons where he was the only reason the Packers were any good, but he can't just bomb the ball 50 yards down field, off of his back foot, as accurately as he used to. And he can't zip the ball in the tight spaces he used to. It's party due to the players around him, but you're kidding yourself if you think none of it is him.

The only reason I even brought up Favre was to make the point that a players skills do deteriorate with age. Just like Brunell, who used to be a running gunslinger, five years ago...

I am not sure I think it's even possible to lose intangibles. I'd say al ot of it fell on him but I think it is because he has a tendency to try to do more than what he should really do. I n fact I think our QB needs to get just a smidge of that in him and we may win that game last night. As far as physically I think he holds up pretty well when compared to himself over the years. Certainly he might be a bit slower or less agile but not terribly so. He's a wanton make plays type of guy and on a team with no one on the other side of the equation to hold up that side of the play his throw caution to wind approach doesn't work well at all.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

I dont want to see a replica of the first three quarters in Dallas last year. Those were three of the most miserable quarters I've witnessed in all my years of watching pro football. Brunell is going to have to make plays in the passing game for this team to be successful. That includes going through his progression and his second target not always being the check down or dump off. We need more pass plays for completions in the seventeen to twenty one yard range, and not just passes to Moss all the time. We have other receivers, get them involved in the offense.

I would kill for an exact replica of last year's first game against Dallas. I thoroughly enjoyed stealing the game from jubilant Dallas fans at the last minute more so than I enjoyed watching our team pummel them. There's something to be said for stealing something at the last minute and watching smiles turn into tears.

[cowboykiller89]

I'd like to see Jason Campbell get in there, but at the same time appreciate the experience Mark Brunell brings to the team. You guys forget a couple of important factors in last night's game; if Moss holds on to the ball after getting rocked by Sharper in the end zone, this is not a subject we would be discussing. At least not this week. It was a great pass. Also, no interceptions; as opposed to three by Drew Bledsoe, one of which happened at crunch time in their game against the Jags.

[offiss]

[QUOTE=TAFKAS;214264]When a team loses the most popular player on the team is always the backup QB. But while there were some poor decisions by Brunell, it wasn't all on him. He's not the one who ran 4 yard routes on 3rd and 6, he's not the one who left the middle of the field wide open on defense, he's not the one with the late hit, or the missed field goal, or the poor special teams coverage. His knee isn't the one that got busted on the first play damaging our nickel defense.

It's just one game. Way, way, way too early to start making changes

He's not the one who ran 4 yard routes on 3rd and 6,

No, but he is the guy who threw a 4 yard pass when we needed 6 because he was afraid he was going to be hit, and nobody was near him, that route is designed to hit a player to the left or to the right so he already has momentum lateraly to run up field and get the first, you cannot hit him stationary like Brunell did, as well Brunell has to know as a QB that there are 2 defenders right behind Portis waiting to pounce on him if he throws it to him, that was an unnessasary throw by a QB who's scared to death of any contact whatsoever, he may as well grounded that ball.

Brunell is not only scared of contact he's afraid of the potential for contact so he anticipates it even when it's not there, and that's why he has happy feet and jumps out of the pocket when no pressure is present.

Do I believe the backup is the most popular guy right now? Not really! I don't have any faith in Collins running the offense, and quite frankly if Campbell can't beat out Brunell at this stage of his developement don't know if he will ever have the ability to win a SB, but we can spend next year finding out the answer to that question, because as someone stated earlier Brunell will have to break a leg before Gibbs yanks him, and even then he'll probably be a game time decision! Not to worry though we will play teams with no pass rush and Brunell will excel when he's sure no one will get close to him.

[JWsleep]

Look, we did not run the ball well at all, and that really makes it harder to throw. That being said, Brunnell's lack of efficiency on third down was a killer. The one that really killed me was that play near the end on third down where he couldn't get the ball over the D lineman to Cooley. That forced a punt, which led to the Vikes final score. He's got to find a way to make that play. If he can't, the clamoring for Campbell is going to get louder and louder...

It's not enough to avoid losing the game. He's got to win it for us some of the time. I agree in general that it's way to early to make changes--this is a new and complex offense, after all. But he's gotta step up.

[freddyg12]

In Gibbs' 1st yr back it was often said that he tells brunell to get rid of the ball and not force it. The coaches know its a long season, and they probably are telling him to protect himself. I just wish he'd tuck it & go more often, he can still run well enough to get out of bounds w/ a few yards.

[Twilbert07]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

In Gibbs' 1st yr back it was often said that he tells brunell to get rid of the ball and not force it. The coaches know its a long season, and they probably are telling him to protect himself. I just wish he'd tuck it & go more often, he can still run well enough to get out of bounds w/ a few yards.

You're right. Throwing it away when there's no one within five yards of you doesn't help much. Run for a few yards then slide.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

I would kill for an exact replica of last year's first game against Dallas. I thoroughly enjoyed stealing the game from jubilant Dallas fans at the last minute more so than I enjoyed watching our team pummel them. There's something to be said for stealing something at the last minute and watching smiles turn into tears.

The last quarter maybe but not the first three, and that's what I was refering too, the first three quarters, pitiful. Now if you would kill for those first three, maybe we should never win another game.