Time to bench Brunell? (Mega Man Merge)

since7skinsfan · 09-18-2006, 05:37 AM

Just one last thing....Let's look at history and the teams that we all respect and admire the most...the teams who create a dynasty...whether it be 2,3, or 4 years. Each and everyone of those dynasties had one common but extremely important similiarity: A Franchise Quaterback. How many of you are sick of going through QB after QB season after season. There is absolutely no way Brunell is the Franchise Quaterback and to be honest I can't think of in the last 20 some odd years that we have had a better chance for a Franchise Quaterback than Cambell. He's young, he was talented in College, and he has been under only one coach in the pros...Gibbs. We have what we have always wanted (untested no less), but its all there. There is only one way to really know.

Start Cambell next week.

HTTR · 09-18-2006, 07:32 AM

Brunnell is making the O-line look worse than it is on passing plays. There is no speed or urgency to the way he takes the snap, drops back and fires the ball to a receiver. If you go back and look at the first quarter, MB had plenty of protection and couldn't get the ball to anyone. This is a COMBINATION of having lost his courage/passion/whatever AND having a new 700 page playbook. This dog is not only lame, but he ain't learning any new tricks.

Whether we bench him now comes down to what's best for JC's development. The WIN NOW AT ALL COSTS mentality of this franchise has been what's killed us in the Snyder era . . . no methodical development of draft picks, coaching staff, etc . . . so if throwing JC out there is going to shellshock the lad, don't do it. On the other hand, if he's our guy for the future, playing is the only way to get better.

NFLeurope · 09-18-2006, 05:07 AM

I kinda agree with your assessment of brunells complete ineptness...and i wouldnt be against a move to campbell...

However i will not write off the season right now. Ive waited too damn long for it to be redskins season...to just write it off after two shitty games.

If its time for the campbell era to begin (which in it seems to be) so be it. Then lets hope Jason campbell...is our own Roethlisberger waiting in the wings...and its time to get behind him to lead us to a SB!!!

itvnetop · 09-18-2006, 05:12 AM

well, the texan fans are fully expecting mario williams to bust out against who? Yup... you guessed it...

Houston's Hope

coggs · 09-18-2006, 05:41 AM

Brunell is no longer a good QB, however you need to think about your alternatives. If Brunell is the best you have, you have to go with him. That's like if Eli is playing poorly, should the Giants bench him for Jared Lorenzen?

CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR · 09-18-2006, 06:37 AM

i hate to say i told you so. last year for brunell was a fluke. no arm strength,no legs looking to throw the ball away or go down. its a damn shame that gibbs is going to throw awaythe season for loyality to brunell when ramsey wasnt this bad playing for coach gibbs.

kingerock · 09-18-2006, 07:18 AM

4 more weeks. If we get Portis back next week, we have Houston, Jacksonville, NY Giants and Tennesee, a couple big games and a couple teams we should beat and the opportunity to get some momentum going.

Hog1 · 09-18-2006, 07:28 AM

Wow, what happened to the 2006 skins I have been seeing in my head the whole off-season? Hopefully, not gone. Just MIA. Replacing Brunell is not the answer at this point. the season is young, and while serious, our season is not done. We have fundamental problems that have to be fixed before it can be Brunell's fault. We have David Carr syndrom. The other teams D is spending way to much time chasing our QB. We need a runing game. Where the hell did our O-line go? Important safety tip: This is bad!!!! 300 yards in penalties does not a win make!!!!!! Can anyone name a team that changed QB's in the season that actually improved their situation? I personally do not know. Oh yea, Note to Springs-We MISS YOU

SmootSmack · 09-18-2006, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Hog1

Wow, what happened to the 2006 skins I have been seeing in my head the whole off-season? Hopefully, not gone. Just MIA. Replacing Brunell is not the answer at this point. the season is young, and while serious, our season is not done. We have fundamental problems that have to be fixed before it can be Brunell's fault. We have David Carr syndrom. The other teams D is spending way to much time chasing our QB. We need a runing game. Where the hell did our O-line go? Important safety tip: This is bad!!!! 300 yards in penalties does not a win make!!!!!! Can anyone name a team that changed QB's in the season that actually improved their situation? I personally do not know. Oh yea, Note to Springs-We MISS YOU

Well technically the Patriots in 2001 started 0-2 and switched from Bledsoe to Brady shortly thereafter. The rest, as they say, is history.

Nice post though, I agree with what you say

#56fanatic · 09-18-2006, 08:37 AM

I say one more week. I dont think he is operating witht he full potential of this offense. WE NEED PORTIS to be successful. Betts is just not good enough. When we see Brunell and this offense with Portis then it will be a fair decision. I just dont understand a lot of the play calling. Running wide on 3rd and 1 or 2?? Especially when you trade for a 265 pound running back and have a 270 pound full back(sellers). Betts is the only person that can get open out of 5?? I find that hard to believe. I did see a couple of ball that should have been thrown over the middle to a WR that was open. Now, saying that Brunell may know that he can not get the ball there with enough zip that he didn't throw it. If thats the case, then he has to go now. I have seem him put some zip on a few passes this year, so just not really sure. Now our O-line was being abused, and he got hit a number of times, so his eyes may be looking at the line man and not down field, who knows?? If we dont have a good showing against Houston, then I think we are going to have to go with Campbell. if we dont win more than 4 games with him, so be it. At least we will get that learning season out of the way.

dmek25 · 09-18-2006, 07:47 AM

if brunell isnt grasping this offense, it makes absolutely no sense to stick j campbell as the starter. learning the ins and outs of the nfl is complicated enough without trying to learn a new offense for like the 6th year in a row

gibbsisgod · 09-18-2006, 08:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dmek25

if brunell isnt grasping this offense, it makes absolutely no sense to stick j campbell as the starter. learning the ins and outs of the nfl is complicated enough without trying to learn a new offense for like the 6th year in a row

i disagree. Campbells needs to play now. enough time has been wasted already. we need a qb that can stretch a defense cause right now brunell cant do that. defenses know that brunell cant throw deep. we need to see if campbell has what it takes, even if it cause us a losing season.

The future is now for the Redskins! Start Campbell NOW!! If Brunell starts the next 2 weeks, we will be 1-3 for sure. We will beat Houston but we will NOT beat Jacksonville with MB at QB.

dmek25 · 09-18-2006, 07:49 AM

we seriously need to try and throw the ball alittle over 20 yards when its not third and long. our playcalling was horrible. are they trying to protect brunells arm strength? only the coaches know that answer

LBrown43 · 09-18-2006, 07:53 AM

I think putting in Campbell against the Texans would be the best game to do it. They are one of the weaker opponents we are going to face this year. I don't know how many more games I can get my hopes up so high, just to be dashed. We looked worse than the last playoff game against Seattle. I really did not think it could get worse than that. I am aware of the new offense and all that but we bring in 2 new recievers and we are only able to get the ball to them 2 times? Lloyd has 2 games under his belt and 1 catch. I think we start Campbell next game and see what happens. Could he be any worse?

12thMan · 09-18-2006, 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LBrown43

I think putting in Campbell against the Texans would be the best game to do it. They are one of the weaker opponents we are going to face this year. I don't know how many more games I can get my hopes up so high, just to be dashed. We looked worse than the last playoff game against Seattle. I really did not think it could get worse than that. I am aware of the new offense and all that but we bring in 2 new recievers and we are only able to get the ball to them 2 times? Lloyd has 2 games under his belt and 1 catch. I think we start Campbell next game and see what happens. Could he be any worse?

I think I said the same thing almost verbatim in another post. Now is the time to start Campbell. Brunell's inability to get the job done has more to with his lack of ability than lack of grasping the playbook, in my opinion.

Why start Campbell against a strong defensive unit, when we can get him in there against a struggling Houston team. This is not the week to allow Brunell to get his footing, only to come back the following week to show nothing and start back at square one.

Our offensive line is better than they've showed, I believe that. The defense basically waits until third and whatever and pin their ears back and come after us. Betts up the middle, Betts on a screen, Betts on a checkdown was the sum total of our game plan last night.

Did we bring Al Saunders all the way here for, what, $2 million a year for that. No thanks!

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09-18-2006, 05:37 AM	#1
since7skinsfan Camp Scrub Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 5	Re: Time to bench Brunell? Just one last thing....Let's look at history and the teams that we all respect and admire the most...the teams who create a dynasty...whether it be 2,3, or 4 years. Each and everyone of those dynasties had one common but extremely important similiarity: A Franchise Quaterback. How many of you are sick of going through QB after QB season after season. There is absolutely no way Brunell is the Franchise Quaterback and to be honest I can't think of in the last 20 some odd years that we have had a better chance for a Franchise Quaterback than Cambell. He's young, he was talented in College, and he has been under only one coach in the pros...Gibbs. We have what we have always wanted (untested no less), but its all there. There is only one way to really know. Start Cambell next week.

09-18-2006, 07:32 AM	#2
HTTR Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 649	Re: Time to bench Brunell? Brunnell is making the O-line look worse than it is on passing plays. There is no speed or urgency to the way he takes the snap, drops back and fires the ball to a receiver. If you go back and look at the first quarter, MB had plenty of protection and couldn't get the ball to anyone. This is a COMBINATION of having lost his courage/passion/whatever AND having a new 700 page playbook. This dog is not only lame, but he ain't learning any new tricks. Whether we bench him now comes down to what's best for JC's development. The WIN NOW AT ALL COSTS mentality of this franchise has been what's killed us in the Snyder era . . . no methodical development of draft picks, coaching staff, etc . . . so if throwing JC out there is going to shellshock the lad, don't do it. On the other hand, if he's our guy for the future, playing is the only way to get better.

09-18-2006, 05:07 AM	#3
NFLeurope Camp Scrub Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 85	Re: Time to bench Brunell? I kinda agree with your assessment of brunells complete ineptness...and i wouldnt be against a move to campbell... However i will not write off the season right now. Ive waited too damn long for it to be redskins season...to just write it off after two shitty games. If its time for the campbell era to begin (which in it seems to be) so be it. Then lets hope Jason campbell...is our own Roethlisberger waiting in the wings...and its time to get behind him to lead us to a SB!!!

09-18-2006, 05:12 AM	#4
itvnetop Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Los Angeles, CA Age: 49 Posts: 3,007	Re: Time to bench Brunell? well, the texan fans are fully expecting mario williams to bust out against who? Yup... you guessed it... Houston's Hope

09-18-2006, 05:41 AM	#5
coggs Special Teams Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: staten island Age: 50 Posts: 477	Re: Time to bench Brunell? Brunell is no longer a good QB, however you need to think about your alternatives. If Brunell is the best you have, you have to go with him. That's like if Eli is playing poorly, should the Giants bench him for Jared Lorenzen? __________________ "Everyone is talking about their dynasty. Well, OUR DYNASTY STARTS TONIGHT."--Michael Strahan, pre-game huddle Pep talk, February 3rd, 2008.

09-18-2006, 06:37 AM	#6
CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR Impact Rookie Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: va Age: 58 Posts: 890	Re: Time to bench Brunell? i hate to say i told you so. last year for brunell was a fluke. no arm strength,no legs looking to throw the ball away or go down. its a damn shame that gibbs is going to throw awaythe season for loyality to brunell when ramsey wasnt this bad playing for coach gibbs.

09-18-2006, 07:18 AM	#7
kingerock Special Teams Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Killeen, TX Age: 50 Posts: 360	Re: Time to bench Brunell? 4 more weeks. If we get Portis back next week, we have Houston, Jacksonville, NY Giants and Tennesee, a couple big games and a couple teams we should beat and the opportunity to get some momentum going. __________________ Redskins fan lost in Texas for 20 years. Need a ride to D.C.

09-18-2006, 07:28 AM	#8
Hog1 Quietly Dominating the East Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Naples, Florida Posts: 10,675	Re: Time to bench Brunell? Wow, what happened to the 2006 skins I have been seeing in my head the whole off-season? Hopefully, not gone. Just MIA. Replacing Brunell is not the answer at this point. the season is young, and while serious, our season is not done. We have fundamental problems that have to be fixed before it can be Brunell's fault. We have David Carr syndrom. The other teams D is spending way to much time chasing our QB. We need a runing game. Where the hell did our O-line go? Important safety tip: This is bad!!!! 300 yards in penalties does not a win make!!!!!! Can anyone name a team that changed QB's in the season that actually improved their situation? I personally do not know. Oh yea, Note to Springs-We MISS YOU __________________ Goodbye Sean..........Vaya Con Dios thankyou Joe....... *“God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.” – Joe Gibbs*

09-18-2006, 08:37 AM	#10
#56fanatic The Starter Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Charlotte NC Age: 51 Posts: 1,801	Re: Time to bench Brunell? I say one more week. I dont think he is operating witht he full potential of this offense. WE NEED PORTIS to be successful. Betts is just not good enough. When we see Brunell and this offense with Portis then it will be a fair decision. I just dont understand a lot of the play calling. Running wide on 3rd and 1 or 2?? Especially when you trade for a 265 pound running back and have a 270 pound full back(sellers). Betts is the only person that can get open out of 5?? I find that hard to believe. I did see a couple of ball that should have been thrown over the middle to a WR that was open. Now, saying that Brunell may know that he can not get the ball there with enough zip that he didn't throw it. If thats the case, then he has to go now. I have seem him put some zip on a few passes this year, so just not really sure. Now our O-line was being abused, and he got hit a number of times, so his eyes may be looking at the line man and not down field, who knows?? If we dont have a good showing against Houston, then I think we are going to have to go with Campbell. if we dont win more than 4 games with him, so be it. At least we will get that learning season out of the way.

09-18-2006, 07:47 AM	#11
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 64 Posts: 10,672	Re: Time to bench Brunell? if brunell isnt grasping this offense, it makes absolutely no sense to stick j campbell as the starter. learning the ins and outs of the nfl is complicated enough without trying to learn a new offense for like the 6th year in a row __________________ "It's better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt." courtesy of 53fan

09-18-2006, 07:49 AM	#13
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 64 Posts: 10,672	Re: Time to bench Brunell? we seriously need to try and throw the ball alittle over 20 yards when its not third and long. our playcalling was horrible. are they trying to protect brunells arm strength? only the coaches know that answer __________________ "It's better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt." courtesy of 53fan

09-18-2006, 07:53 AM	#14
LBrown43 Special Teams Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Clinton (as in Portis) New Jersey Age: 64 Posts: 217	Re: Time to bench Brunell? I think putting in Campbell against the Texans would be the best game to do it. They are one of the weaker opponents we are going to face this year. I don't know how many more games I can get my hopes up so high, just to be dashed. We looked worse than the last playoff game against Seattle. I really did not think it could get worse than that. I am aware of the new offense and all that but we bring in 2 new recievers and we are only able to get the ball to them 2 times? Lloyd has 2 games under his belt and 1 catch. I think we start Campbell next game and see what happens. Could he be any worse?

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