Sports Junkies talking about a Campbell rumor

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by That Guy

fair points, and i agree the D is really bad right now, but i'm not sold that the offense isn't also bad, that's all. and GTripp sorta comes off as saying there's absolutely no problem there (in my opinion), whether that's his intention or not.

I guess whether or not theres a problem is purely opinional based on what your expectation for the offense is. If you look at the prior two years as the standard/expectation, then I would say there are no problems. We are up in PPG, YPG and pretty much every major metric from last year. Turnovers are down significantly.

On the contrary, if you thought that the additions we made would make us a top three offense, and that was your expectation, then its pretty obvious this group hasn't reached your standards, and thus is underachieving. There are better offenses then us around the league.

And of course if you expected perfection (and there are people on this fourm who do), then there are a lot of problems. Brunell isn't perfect, Moss isn't perfect, Portis isn't perfect...etc. So yeah, then you call for Brunell's head, get Campbell, and as soon as he isnt perfect, call for his head.

I think a lot of us preseason, were thinking this would be a defensive mided football team, with a stronger offense than last year (cause thats what I was thinking). Well, one unit has met expectations, one hasn't, IMO. So rather than blame the unit that did meet expectations, I'm fed up with the one that didn't.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I guess whether or not theres a problem is purely opinional based on what your expectation for the offense is. If you look at the prior two years as the standard/expectation, then I would say there are no problems. We are up in PPG, YPG and pretty much every major metric from last year. Turnovers are down significantly.

On the contrary, if you thought that the additions we made would make us a top three offense, and that was your expectation, then its pretty obvious this group hasn't reached your standards, and thus is underachieving. There are better offenses then us around the league.

And of course if you expected perfection (and there are people on this fourm who do), then there are a lot of problems. Brunell isn't perfect, Moss isn't perfect, Portis isn't perfect...etc. So yeah, then you call for Brunell's head, get Campbell, and as soon as he isnt perfect, call for his head.

I think a lot of us preseason, were thinking this would be a defensive mided football team, with a stronger offense than last year (cause thats what I was thinking). Well, one unit has met expectations, one hasn't, IMO. So rather than blame the unit that did meet expectations, I'm fed up with the one that didn't.

there's a flaw in your arguement there. the PPG and YPG are up because of the massive amounts of garbage time an how it was used. when we needed three scores, we made no attempt to get more than 10 yards at a time and move slowly down the field. (bombs away is how you get multiple scores, of course, but with the higher chance to actually win (instead of pad stats), there's a higher chance of turnovers, less chance of yardage (more incompletes), and less chance of points (if you're down 14 and take 4 minutes when you start with 4:30 to go, the defense doesn't really care as much about letting you in).

The offense was on fire for the texans and jags, but beside that, in the competitive parts of games, they've been somewhat invisible. last year they were more clutch (putting up 35 when it still mattered vs TB, 19 and like 322yards passing vs DEN, a decent showing vs SD, KC, etc), and then the defense became clutch down the stretch. this year we've had 2 games of killer offense and 5 games of bad offense until garbage time kicked in. that's NOT better overall, even if you expected no change at all.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by That Guy

there's a flaw in your arguement there. the PPG and YPG are up because of the massive amounts of garbage time an how it was used. when we needed three scores, we made no attempt to get more than 10 yards at a time and move slowly down the field.

The offense was on fire for the texans and jags, but beside that, in the competitive parts of games, they've been somewhat invisible. last year they were more clutch (putting up 35 when it still mattered vs TB, 21 and like 400yards passing vs DEN, a decent showing vs SD, etc), and then the defense became clutch down the stretch. this year we've had 2 games of killer offense and 5 games of badd offense until garbage time kicked in. that's NOT better overall, even if you expected no change at all.

I thought the offense had good first halves vs both TEN and Indy.

They were more clutch last year, obviously. Which explains the descrepency between 3.8 estimated wins and 2 actual wins. This team isn't getting it done at crunch time on either side of the ball.

But if you ask yourself why that is, it eventually boils down to a relative degree of chance. Theres no other real reason for why this team has all their good plays when it doesn't matter. Law of averages says if you stay the course, it will even out. Athletes are always under extreme pressure, and every offense in the league will struggle at times and succeed at others. I believe this poor clutch performance is due almost entirely to chance.

Or maybe there's a higher power up there who is seeking vengence on Mark Brunell, and causing the defense to struggle as long as he's the QB of the Redskins??? Is the only solution to bring in JC to reverse the curse?

I understand your garbage time arguement, but simply it affects all teams, not just the Redskins. All numbers I have access to and give have garbage time included in them, so its a double standard to say that Brunell and David Carr get yards due to garbage time, but every other QB in the league doesn't.

[That Guy]

well, i only want JC cause i think 2007 would be much better if he got experience before september rolled around. starting with 9 games + a full preseason under your belt is better than coming in without any time served. I don't expect him to come in and magically lead us to 12 straight victories or anything, but hopefully we'd see him get better down the stretch.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by That Guy

well, i only want JC cause i think 2007 would be much better if he got experience before september rolled around. starting with 9 games + a full preseason under your belt is better than coming in without any time served. I don't expect him to come in and magically lead us to 12 straight victories or anything, but hopefully we'd see him get better down the stretch.

Exactly. That's one arguement that can co exist with mine. As soon as the season is over, what do we have to lose? Nothing....because its over.

Right now, however, the focus should still be to win games. If we win the next three (note; HYPOTHETICAL SITUATION).

We are 5-5. Most likely no more than 2 games out of first and in at least a tie for 2nd. We play 4 of our final 6 at home, and the two road games are in domes. A year ago, we were 5-6, so we would have a chance to be in a better position than last year. We may not even have to win out.

Now lets say (more realistically) we beat Dallas, lose to Phili, beat TB.

We are 4-6. No more than 2 games out of 2nd. Likely no more than 3 games out of first. Then we have our six final games in what I would deem "friendly" conditions. Either home, or in a dome. We would have to win out, but its not completely implausible.

This is why the situation isn't as dire as some think it is. Now, you have to take it one game at a time and make sure you beat Dallas. Looks like we wont have Moss this week, so you rely on Portis and on a shorter passing game to move the ball. You expect to score about 17, maybe 20 points. And you home beyond hope that the D, at home, makes Tony Romo's day a living hell.

[That Guy]

we're 0-2 in division (last year we went 5-1) and unlike when we won out, our D has been awful and we generally haven't lost close games (again unlike last year). I think the play-calling has been beyond terrible as well.

we'll see, but i've seen NOTHING to make me believe they'll switch the flip in time to save the season. and the coaching staff hasn't made a single noticeable adjustment since jacksonville.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by That Guy

we're 0-2 in division (last year we went 5-1) and unlike when we won out, our D has been awful and we generally haven't lost close games (again unlike last year). I think the play-calling has been beyond terrible as well.

we'll see, but i've seen NOTHING to make me believe they'll switch the flip in time to save the season.

I'm dissappointed in some situational playcalling, but on the whole, the creativity is really night and day compared to last year. Something we expected.

The offense and special teams (outside of FG kicking) make be believe there is a chance. There isn't unless the D starts playing better, but I've seen this unit rise from the dead before. Hopefully, the problem was injuries. One good game is all it takes to turn the year around.

The entire season to this point has been played in unfavorable conditions (many road games, injuries, bad teams playing well above their potential), and at some point, that's going to turn around.

[railcon56]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

It's not going to happen. Collins was getting 1/2 the snaps too. Why Collins is even getting snaps is beyond me. I guess Gibbs is trying to keep Saunders happy. I'm can't wait until it's 3-9 and Brunell throws a 5 yard checkdown. The crowd is going to really let him have it this week.

That will happen all day...And there will be some serious booing sunday.....

[SKINSnCANES]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

I don't see Campbell starting, but I can envision him playing if we are losing and Brunell aggravates his ribs. I know Campbell is the #3 QB, but maybe Gibbs will decide to use him after he practiced with the 1st team offense.

I was goign to saw that if Brunell istn pefect, campbell comes in. But they you got me thinking, how pissed would you be if Brunell does bad, or gets hurt, and then they put in todd collins....

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by That Guy

we're 0-2 in division (last year we went 5-1) and unlike when we won out, our D has been awful and we generally haven't lost close games (again unlike last year). I think the play-calling has been beyond terrible as well.

we'll see, but i've seen NOTHING to make me believe they'll switch the flip in time to save the season. and the coaching staff hasn't made a single noticeable adjustment since jacksonville.

That's why it's so difficult to attempt to predict what they're going to do from one game to the next. We've have played seven games thus far and each one looks like a continuation of the last one, the only thing that changes is the other teams uniforms.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I'm dissappointed in some situational playcalling, but on the whole, the creativity is really night and day compared to last year. Something we expected.

The offense and special teams (outside of FG kicking) make be believe there is a chance. There isn't unless the D starts playing better, but I've seen this unit rise from the dead before. Hopefully, the problem was injuries. One good game is all it takes to turn the year around.

The entire season to this point has been played in unfavorable conditions (many road games, injuries, bad teams playing well above their potential), and at some point, that's going to turn around.

there's no creativity, and that's part of why we're seeing troubles. outside run right, outside run left, screen right, screen left. crowd the flats and we're done. no need to cover deep, no need to bother guarding the middle. not to mention all that motion stuff stopped being used in week 2 and the shotgun, audibles, and that stupid dump off to cooley we used on EVERY 3rd and short last year (and always worked) are ALL mia (no shotgun = brunell is watching the pass rush and not looking down field).

saunders fixed an offense that wasn't broke and and replaced the good plays with stuff that isn't working (we don't have 2 HoF AND pro-bowlers on the OL like he had in KC). the playcalling flat out sucks cause it's built around players that aren't wearing redskin uniforms with an OC that's looking to jump ship as soon as a head coaching job is offered. I mean, where's the creativity in calling the screen so often that the CBs are meeting it in the backfield 50% of the time?