Brunell Back in 2007?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by That Guy

it's the same as if he were cut... which would mean 2.3mill more in cap space next year (vs staying on the roster).

he's still a decent backup, but it's tempting to let him go and use the money elsewhere, since he's vastly overpaid (as a backup).

The player stays on the roster (retired reserve list) for the duration of the deal, right? You get the reprieve of his base salary and don't have to pay him any bonuses. I know when a player volentarily retires, he has to give back the portion of his signing bonus that he did not earn, so does this not count as cap relief?

When the Raiders wanted Deion for their '02 playoff run, we cut him then and I think at that point we incurred his remaining cap hit (or lack thereof).

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

The player stays on the roster (retired reserve list) for the duration of the deal, right? You get the reprieve of his base salary and don't have to pay him any bonuses. I know when a player volentarily retires, he has to give back the portion of his signing bonus that he did not earn, so does this not count as cap relief?

When the Raiders wanted Deion for their '02 playoff run, we cut him then and I think at that point we incurred his remaining cap hit (or lack thereof).

the main uses of the retired-reserve list tend to be:

A) for a player signing a deal to retire with his old team (ie, webb signing to retire as a dolphin after spending a couple years in cinncy, or brian mitchell signing a one day deal to retire as a skin).

B) a player signs a five year deal and retires after the first year... two years later, he gets re-instated and goes on the retired-reserve list of whichever team has his rights until they decide what to do (place on the roster or release them).

i believe gauranteed money is gauranteed money. a lot of times retiring players have given signing bonuses back or redone contracts immediately before calling it quits (gannon, meadows, etc (even deion gave money back)). with lavargate and the new stricter rules on recovering gaurantees, i'm not sure how easy it'd be to return money now.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Since they will barely save anything on the cap, they should keep him. I would say that he might be the most dangerous backup in the league if he stays and gets healthy. He is a different guy when healthy. I think the groin injury in pre-season derailed everything for him.

It was no coincidence that his best weeks came when he had long rests.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Grim21Reaper

Since they will barely save anything on the cap, they should keep him. I would say that he might be the most dangerous backup in the league if he stays and gets healthy. He is a different guy when healthy. I think the groin injury in pre-season derailed everything for him.

It was no coincidence that his best weeks came when he had long rests.

2.3mill is a far cry from barely anything. that's real close to what lloyd, or el, or carter, or arch will make their first year, and obviously those were high priced signings.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by That Guy

2.3mill is a far cry from barely anything. that's real close to what lloyd, or el, or carter, or arch will make their first year, and obviously those were high priced signings.

Yeah, but I also think with only one day 1 draft pick and with the team unexpected to make a big free agency splash after indulging last year, we really don't need that cap space for anything. I think Brunell would be the ideal backup for us, and although I am not from the school of thought that says you need a decent backup QB to make a Championshup run, I think we would be accepting a downgrade by cutting him loose for cap room.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Yeah, but I also think with only one day 1 draft pick and with the team unexpected to make a big free agency splash after indulging last year, we really don't need that cap space for anything. I think Brunell would be the ideal backup for us, and although I am not from the school of thought that says you need a decent backup QB to make a Championshup run, I think we would be accepting a downgrade by cutting him loose for cap room.

clements? that'd be an overall roster upgrade, and push more talent into the starting 22, which brunell wouldn't contribute to unless an injury occured, and
at that point, the risk/reward of possibly having him give you nothing still makes a good arguement for cutting him.

[Redskins_P]

Even when we went on our winning streak last season, no one gave Brunell any credit (in the media), so I doubt he could get signed next season and compete for starting role.

Also, it seems like this season has started a new trend with starting young QB's early. I would really like to know what the average age is for starting QB's in the league right now. I can bet its not more 27 or 28.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Redskins_P

Even when we went on our winning streak last season, no one gave Brunell any credit (in the media), so I doubt he could get signed next season and compete for starting role.

Also, it seems like this season has started a new trend with starting young QB's early. I would really like to know what the average age is for starting QB's in the league right now. I can bet its not more 27 or 28.

as of 12/31/2006: (palmer, rivers, and campbell have birthdays in december)

22 (alex smith)
23, 23, 23, 23
24
25, 25, 25, 25, 25
26, 26, 26
27, 27, 27
28, 28
29, 29
30, 30, 30
31, 31
33
34
36, 36
37 (jeff garcia)
38 (brad johnson)

average age = 902/32 = 28.1875 years old... median is 27.

[vaoutlaws2006]

I see brunell retiring at seasons end.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by vaoutlaws2006

I see brunell retiring at seasons end.

I hope so, that would be in the best interests of he & the team. I’d like Joe to keep him around as an asst. qb coach or something. Then if ALL our qb’s got hurt he could come out of retirement.
He plays too tentatively at this point in his career & he shouldn’t jeopardize his health by playing any longer. Remember the good old days (those of you old enough!) when guys retired w/their team because they knew it was time, & they were too old?

[dmek25]

brunell is a viable backup, but the cap number is fairly high. i think he retires

[The Zimmermans]

yeah, i guess we made two first round picks in 2004, my bad

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by The Zimmermans

yeah, i guess we made two first round picks in 2004, my bad

right, 04 not 05 like I posted earlier