Brandon Lloyd is not a bust!

SmootSmack · 03-06-2007, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR

What kills me i know Daniel Synder is a very smart man. Especially in business, you would think he would see how the other succesfull teams are being run and try to the same. Use the draft,GM etc. Instead of just mainly using FA.

But a lot of teams don't have GMs. He uses the draft more than given credit for, and we're not the only team going after FAs

CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR · 03-06-2007, 12:06 AM

Yea but i think Vinny has to go he stunk in SF. Was good at ND. Yea but we seen to always to go crazy after we make the Playoffs like in 2000 and last year. Signing way to many FA or paying them way to much. Instead with a tweak here or there we would be ready to roll. But we lose our minds sometimes. The good teams like indy,chi,phil use the draft and fill in with FA. Not the other way around.

SmootSmack · 03-06-2007, 12:17 AM

I think 2000 and last offseason don't really compare. 2000 was clearly a quick fix, looking for that instant ring. Archuleta turned out to be a mistake, and the Duckett deal completely backfired. But I think AC, El, and even Lloyd can be mainstays here for many years to come.

MTK · 03-06-2007, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR

Yea but i think Vinny has to go he stunk in SF. Was good at ND. Yea but we seen to always to go crazy after we make the Playoffs like in 2000 and last year. Signing way to many FA or paying them way to much. Instead with a tweak here or there we would be ready to roll. But we lose our minds sometimes. The good teams like indy,chi,phil use the draft and fill in with FA. Not the other way around.

He won a Super Bowl in San Fran

Hog1 · 03-06-2007, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

He won a Super Bowl in San Fran

Well.........................there's that

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 03-06-2007, 12:19 AM

I'm sorry, but I don't think the Redskins' offer to Dock was ridiculous. Let's face it, we all liked Dockery, but he was the 5th best lineman on the team and is a slightly-above average guard with some unrealized potential to be well-above average. Prior to this offseason, most great guards could be had for $4M per year with a signing bonus of about $1M for every contract year. Hutchinson is, of course, the exception to this rule, but Dockery is no Hutchinson and Hutchinson's contract shocked the hell out of everyone even though he was and is regarded as the best overall guard in the league.

If people have a problem with Dock's contract numbers, go look at other guards' contracts prior to this offseason and you will be SHOCKED at how little guards were paid.

SmootSmack · 03-06-2007, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

I'm sorry, but I don't think the Redskins' offer to Dock was ridiculous. Let's face it, we all liked Dockery, but he was the 5th best lineman on the team and is a slightly-above average guard with some unrealized potential to be well-above average. Prior to this offseason, most great guards could be had for $4M per year with a signing bonus of about $1M for every contract year. Hutchinson is, of course, the exception to this rule, but Dockery is no Hutchinson and Hutchinson's contract shocked the hell out of everyone even though he was and is regarded as the best overall guard in the league.

If people have a problem with Dock's contract numbers, go look at other guards' contracts prior to this offseason and you will be SHOCKED at how little guards were paid.

How pissed must Seattle fans be now that Hutch's deal is the norm? Last year they could at least console themselves with "Well, who would pay that kind of money for a guard anyway"

redskin37 · 03-06-2007, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

How pissed must Seattle fans be now that Hutch's deal is the norm? Last year they could at least console themselves with "Well, who would pay that kind of money for a guard anyway"

And next year after free agency ,we will be sitting hear thinking Doc's and these other deals where not that expensive after all.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 03-06-2007, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by redskin37

And next year after free agency ,we will be sitting hear thinking Doc's and these other deals where not that expensive after all.

I disagree, that is unless the salary cap doubles overnight.

Dirtbag59 · 03-06-2007, 10:46 PM

(SCENE: B. Llyod has just missed a potential touchdown catch against the Saints)

Al Saunders: Looks like you lost it in the lights

Lloyd: What?

Al Saunders: Looks like you lost it in the lights

Lloyd: I didnt' F*$*#G loose it, go talk to your F$*#(G Quarterback.

NOTE: this script is paraphrased

This is the type of shit Lloyd tries to pull with his crappy attitude. Saunders tried to give him a don't worry about it pat on the back when the play was clearly his fault and Lloyd tries to blame it on the Campbell.

wbecker999 · 03-07-2007, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

(SCENE: B. Llyod has just missed a potential touchdown catch against the Saints)

Al Saunders: Looks like you lost it in the lights

Lloyd: What?

Al Saunders: Looks like you lost it in the lights

Lloyd: I didnt' F*$*#G loose it, go talk to your F$*#(G Quarterback.

NOTE: this script is paraphrased

This is the type of shit Lloyd tries to pull with his crappy attitude. Saunders tried to give him a don't worry about it pat on the back when the play was clearly his fault and Lloyd tries to blame it on the Campbell.

Wow thats not good.
where did you get this info?

That Guy · 03-07-2007, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by wbecker999

Wow thats not good.
where did you get this info?

washingtonpost.com and post game. he also had sideline spats with randle-el. this isn't new info.

wbecker999 · 03-07-2007, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

(SCENE: B. Llyod has just missed a potential touchdown catch against the Saints)

Al Saunders: Looks like you lost it in the lights

Lloyd: What?

Al Saunders: Looks like you lost it in the lights

Lloyd: I didnt' F*$*#G loose it, go talk to your F$*#(G Quarterback.

NOTE: this script is paraphrased

This is the type of shit Lloyd tries to pull with his crappy attitude. Saunders tried to give him a don't worry about it pat on the back when the play was clearly his fault and Lloyd tries to blame it on the Campbell.

I remember that game .That was Lloyds fault all the way. Nobybody's perfect
I'll cut him some slack for not making the catch , But own up to your mistakes.

JoeRedskin · 03-07-2007, 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by wbecker999

I remember that game .That was Lloyds fault all the way. Nobybody's perfect
I'll cut him some slack for not making the catch , But own up to your mistakes.

Apparently Lloyd doesn't. As stated by ThatGuy, this is not new info. Perhaps this is why people were skeptical about your "not a bust" opinion from the beginning. Maybe next time before you go jumping down people's throats for disagreeing with you, you'll cut em some slack before calling them out.

wbecker999 · 03-07-2007, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Apparently Lloyd doesn't. As stated by ThatGuy, this is not new info. Perhaps this is why people were skeptical about your "not a bust" opinion from the beginning. Maybe next time before you go jumping down people's throats for disagreeing with you, you'll cut em some slack before calling them out.

Hey -When I jumped down peoples throats
The only rebuttal I was getting was along the lines of
"one catch doesn't define a career" witch was not implied in my message anyway.
Can anyone see how that was frustrating?

I apologize for offending anyone
I was trying to raise the level of this debate.

As for the topic it got peoples attention and turned out to have some pretty good arguments on each side.

03-06-2007, 12:06 AM	#2
CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR Impact Rookie Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: va Age: 59 Posts: 890	Re: Brandon Lloyd is not a bust! Yea but i think Vinny has to go he stunk in SF. Was good at ND. Yea but we seen to always to go crazy after we make the Playoffs like in 2000 and last year. Signing way to many FA or paying them way to much. Instead with a tweak here or there we would be ready to roll. But we lose our minds sometimes. The good teams like indy,chi,phil use the draft and fill in with FA. Not the other way around.

03-06-2007, 12:17 AM	#3
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Brandon Lloyd is not a bust! I think 2000 and last offseason don't really compare. 2000 was clearly a quick fix, looking for that instant ring. Archuleta turned out to be a mistake, and the Duckett deal completely backfired. But I think AC, El, and even Lloyd can be mainstays here for many years to come. __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

03-06-2007, 12:19 AM	#6
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 47 Posts: 8,317	Re: Brandon Lloyd is not a bust! I'm sorry, but I don't think the Redskins' offer to Dock was ridiculous. Let's face it, we all liked Dockery, but he was the 5th best lineman on the team and is a slightly-above average guard with some unrealized potential to be well-above average. Prior to this offseason, most great guards could be had for $4M per year with a signing bonus of about $1M for every contract year. Hutchinson is, of course, the exception to this rule, but Dockery is no Hutchinson and Hutchinson's contract shocked the hell out of everyone even though he was and is regarded as the best overall guard in the league. If people have a problem with Dock's contract numbers, go look at other guards' contracts prior to this offseason and you will be SHOCKED at how little guards were paid.

03-06-2007, 10:46 PM	#10
Dirtbag59 Naega jeil jal naga Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Atlanta, Georgia From: Silver Spring, Maryland Age: 40 Posts: 14,750	Re: Brandon Lloyd is not a bust! (SCENE: B. Llyod has just missed a potential touchdown catch against the Saints) Al Saunders: Looks like you lost it in the lights Lloyd: What? Al Saunders: Looks like you lost it in the lights Lloyd: I didnt' F$#G loose it, go talk to your F$#(G Quarterback. NOTE: this script is paraphrased This is the type of shit Lloyd tries to pull with his crappy attitude. Saunders tried to give him a don't worry about it pat on the back when the play was clearly his fault and Lloyd tries to blame it on the Campbell. __________________ "It's nice to be important, but its more important to be nice."* - Scooter "I feel like Dirtbag has been slowly and methodically trolling the board for a month or so now." - FRPLG

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